Last month we took a look at Avengers #131, which ended with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes being transported against their wills to the realm of Limbo, where they were set to face off against a Legion of the Unliving assembled by their long-time foe, Kang the Conqueror. This month, we’ll be discussing the “two-part triple-length triumph” which that comic’s final page promised as a follow-up… a story which, following a pattern that had been set the last time that an issue of the quarterly Giant-Size Avengers rolled around, doesn’t actually begin in the book whose Gil Kane-Frank Giacoia cover graces the top of this post; but, rather, in the one whose cover by Ron Wilson and Giacoia is shown at right: the latest (as of fifty years ago) issue of our assembled heroes’ regular monthly title, Avengers #132 (Feb., 1975).
And speaking of Giant-Size Avengers #2, I’m sure you’ll recall how that issue’s cover promised the “Death of an Avenger!” — and how the story within delivered on that promise, via the heroic self-sacrifice of the Swordsman. Now, just three months later, we have the cover of Avengers #132 claiming, “One of the Avengers depicted on this cover will perish in this very issue! But — which one?“
I don’t know about you, but even in 1974, my younger self was pretty sure that Marvel wasn’t going to permanently off a star character like Iron Man or Thor in a random issue of Avengers. Mantis, on the other hand… While it seemed unlikely that writer Steve Englehart would wrap up his ongoing “Celestial Madonna” saga with such finality this quickly, it was at least possible. After all, “this one” had joined the cast of the series at the very same time as the Swordsman, and now, with him gone…
Of course, none of us readers were going to learn the truth of the matter staring at the book’s cover — and neither will any of you out there reading this who might be encountering this story for the first time (or who have simply forgotten the details over the last five decades). So let’s dig in, shall we?
Turning first to #132’s opening splash, we immediately find ourselves in familiar territory, visually speaking, as the same art team who’d been handling Avengers since issue #127 — penciller Sal Buscema and inker Joe Staton — are still on the job. But once we check out the credits box, we may yet find ourselves in for a bit of a surprise…
With the exception of Giant-Size Avengers #1, which had been written by Roy Thomas, Steve Englehart had authored every single adventure of the super-team since Avengers #105, published back in August, 1972… that is, until this one, which finds Englehart credited only for “plot & title”, with “script and editing” attributed to his predecessor on the feature, Roy Thomas.
As anyone who’d read Marvel publisher Stan Lee’s “Soapbox” column in the company’s books then on sale already knew (and as we discussed in some detail in our Captain America #182 post, a few weeks back), Thomas was stepping down from his editor-in-chief position at Marvel, which meant (among other things) that he’d be doing considerably more writing than he had been for the last several years. Was Thomas looking to take back Avengers — the title he’d written for seventy consecutive issues (plus two Annuals) prior to passing the assignment to Englehart, and which still stood as arguably his most significant contribution to the comics field to date, with the possible exception of Conan the Barbarian and its ilk?
Well, not quite. As an editorial note at the top of #132’a “Avengers Assemble!” letters column explained:
In other words, it was actually more of a last hurrah for Roy Thomas on Avengers (at least for the present), as the two-fer represented by Avengers #132 and Giant-Size Avengers #3 wouldn’t only be the last comics starring Earth’s Mightiest Heroes that he’d be writing for quite some time — but the last that he’d be editing, as well.
And now that we have that cleared up…
The reference to Don Blake’s “Christian heritage” is interesting, given that Don Blake isn’t actually “real” — rather, he’s a construct of Thor’s daddy, All-Father Odin, who created the persona of a mobility-challenged medical student to teach his son humility, as first revealed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby back in 1968’s Thor #159. I doubt that either Roy Thomas or Steve Englehart would have forgotten that fact, so I think it’s best to think of this reference to Blake’s religious “heritage” as a kind of simplified shorthand for the more complicated reality — which is that Odin must have instilled the Blake persona with false memories of what was, at least in a broad, cultural sense, a “Christian” upbringing. Presumably, Blake would have had false memories of parents, childhood friends, early loves, etc., as well… which is all pretty creepy if you think about it for any length of time.
You know, I’m not really sure I buy the idea of Thor opting to transform into the powerless Blake in the midst of an unknown and obviously dangerous situation, just on the off chance that it might, somehow, break him out of Limbo. But, obviously, having Blake threatened by the Frankenstein Monster does help extend this “Thor vs. Frankenstein” action sequence a little longer than might otherwise have seemed credible to the average reader…
At this point, Englehart’s plot takes temporary leave of the Labyrinth of Limbo to pick up a loose thread or two remaining on Earth — more specifically, in Saigon, Vietnam, the location from which the Avengers had been so rudely plucked by Kang. As regular readers of this blog will hopefully recall, a mysterious hooded figure had been introduced in issue #130, where he’d assisted Iron Man against the Crimson Dynamo (though without the Golden Avenger’s ever becoming aware of it); then, in #131, we’d briefly glimpsed him him observing Mantis from a rooftop (again, without her ever seeing him). Now, he turns up at the very spot from which the Avengers vanished, evidently looking for clues; when he’s accosted by two officers of the local police, he swiftly downs them with some choice martial arts moves, then flees into a nearby alley…
As for the “glowing green Swordsman“, he’d first turned up in #131, where he materialized in front of Mantis, then disappeared almost as quickly, never saying a word. Now, if nothing else, we know that he wasn’t a figment of the grieving woman’s imagination… and that he and Hooded Guy are in cahoots, some way or other…
Before Kang can continue, he’s interrupted by Baron Zemo, who’s just noticed the Vision wandering down an adjoining corridor (of course, Zemo doesn’t actually recognize Vizh, having bought the farm some forty-two issues prior to the android Avenger’s debut, but nevertheless perceives that “he has the look of the accursed Avengers about him!”). Kang immediately orders the Human Torch and Wonder Man to attack and destroy the Vision…
Vision finds that although his solar eye-beam blasts can stun Zemo, the unliving villain can somehow absorb the energy from them — so, rather than deplete his reserves, he turns intangible and slips away through a wall. The similarly-powered Ghost promptly heads off in pursuit, while Kang, Zemo, and company go searching for the other Avengers…
Mantis’ blow staggers Midnight, but doesn’t take him out. Not feeling particularly enthusiastic about continuing a fight against someone her enhanced senses tell her is essentially “a dead man“, she opts to beat feet, instead; though, naturally, the former frenemy of Shang-Chi, Master of Kung Fu immediately follows in pursuit.
Elsewhere, Iron Man and Hawkeye’s separate tunnel-wanderings have brought them face-to-face…
So now we know who dies in this issue — and it is one of the big guns, Iron Man, after all! Yeah, like that’s going to stick.
In another tunnel, the Ghost phases through a wall in front of Mantis — but after making a statement about how he’s not allowed to harm “the Celestial Madonna” (which naturally freaks Mantis out just a little), he passe through on the other side, still looking for the Vision…
Back in 1974, there was a whole week’s interval between the release dates of Avengers #132 and Giant-Size Avengers #3 — but since we have no need to worry about that here, “forthcoming” means the same as “immediately following”… like so:
Once again, the writing credit is split between Steve Englehart and Roy Thomas (and, while I’m thinking about it, can anyone think of any other time when someone has specifically been credited for coming up with a story’s title? One gets the impression that Englehart wasn’t all that happy about his needing to have help from Thomas this month, and wanted to be sure he got the credit for everything he contributed to these two comics, no matter how minor).
Returning as penciller from the previous issue of Giant-Size Avengers is Dave Cockrum. In that issue, he’d inked his own pencils (with some last-minute uncredited assistance from Neal Adams); here, however, he appears to have only contributed layouts, which have in turn been finished by Joe Giella, a veteran artist best known for his work inking such DC Comics features as Batman and Flash. Unfortunately, Cockrum’s work for this story calls for a slicker, cleaner approach to rendering than the relatively rough-edged embellishment afforded here by Giella; the result, at least for this reader, is less attractive than either the art Cockrum delivered solo (more or less) for G-SA #2, or the visuals provided by the Buscema-Staton team for the storyline’s immediately preceding chapter.
Continuing with our narrative, the Vision explains to Mantis how the Ghost overcame him by plunging his own not-quite-solid arm into the android’s body…
Yes, Midnight has finally caught up with Mantis, and he’s determined to continue their battle; plus, having gained some distance from Kang, he’s less compelled to follow the Conqueror’s directive not to harm her.. Mantis is unfazed by this, and she proceeds to impress her foe by seizing one of his nunchaku sticks while he’s whirling it through the air, and then by using it to pull him off-balance and send him flying…
“And to death shall you return, as you well know — if you do not do my full bidding.” Having put Zemo back in his place (or so he at least hopes), Kang dispatches Wonder Man and the Torch to search for the Vision. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the Labyrinth, Thor has lost track of the Frankenstein Monster, and is once again wandering aimlessly — until he stumbles upon a most unwelcome sight:
Yeah, you and I may both know that ol’ Shellhead can’t really be dead (at least not permanently) — but Thor doesn’t know that, and his godly wrath thus seems entirely apt.
The scene now shifts back to Earth — though to New York City rather than Saigon, this time… and specifically to Avengers Mansion, where the team’s butler, Jarvis, receives word that Libra — the member of the super-criminal cartel called Zodiac who’d recently claimed to have fathered Mantis — has broken out of prison. Jarvis attempts to take this important message to the only Avenger currently on the premises: the Scarlet Witch, who’s been ensconced in her rooms with her new mentor, Agatha Harkness, since the beginning of Avengers #130. But when Jarvis tentatively knocks on her door, and politely asks to speak with her…
Meanwhile, Zemo is continuing to annoy Kang with his irrelevant rantings about Captain America (“that star-spangled schweinhund!“) and the like, so the Conqueror sends the Baron back to Immortus’ throne room to make sure that both the erstwhile Lord of Limbo and Rama-Tut haven’t escaped. But then, only moments after gaining his solitude, Kang finds himself confronted by…
Thor seems to have Kang on the ropes, but then aid arrives for the latter in the form of Wonder Man, who wallops the Thunder God from behind. “So, Kang,” says Thor. “Thou hast called forth Wonder Man from beyond the grave… and made of him a pawn, as well!” “I’m nobody’s pawn, Goldilocks,” Simon Williams angrily retorts…
In obedience to Kang, Wonder Man pulls down a supporting column, resulting in the corridor’s roof collapsing in between the immortal Avenger and his fleeing foes; in response, Thor immediately sets to knocking the fallen rubble out of his way with Mjolnir.
Zemo’s Adhesive X superglues Hawkeye to the floor, but it doesn’t silence him; and so, when the Baron starts ranting about how much he suffered for two decades after Captain America stuck his cowl to his face, the bowman breaks in: “Why dontcha just zap me and get it over with, Man from Glad! Anything’s better than listenin’ to you warmed-over Nazis sounding off!”
And there it is, folks. The payoff to a plot thread first introduced over three years earlier in Avengers #93, where Ant-Man, in the midst of a fantastic voyage through the body of the Vision, saw… something which gave him pause; something about which Roy Thomas’ script tantalizingly stated “our readers may learn one day… but not today!”
As most readers of this blog are doubtlessly already aware, while Avengers #93’s artist and co-plotter Neal Adams was drawing that issue, he’d conceived the notion of the Vision’s body having originally belonged to Marvel’s original android superhero, the Golden Age Human Torch, and had drawn in a panel where Ant-Man discovered a mysterious anomaly which somehow pointed to the Vision’s true origins. In the
remaining eleven issues of Avengers that Thomas scripted before turning the job over to Steve Englehart, the writer made but one further allusion to the mystery; this came in Avengers #102 (Aug., 1972), when one of the mutant-hunting robots known as the Sentinels analyzed the Vision and reported him to be of “three decades vintage” (see right; art by Rich Buckler and Joe Sinnott). Obviously, that was way too old to fit with the Vision’s supposed beginnings in 1968 at the hands of another robot, Ultron-5 — but it was just right for the origins of the original Torch, who’d debuted in Marvel Comics #1 (Oct., 1939).
Ultimately, however, Thomas would leave it to Englehart to handle the big reveal — and while the latter was clearly quite willing, he was clearly also just as interested in taking his own sweet time about it.* So it’s somewhat ironic, and perhaps also rather fitting, that, now that the actual moment has arrived, both writers end up sharing it. And I figure it had to have been icing on the cake for Thomas — a former English teacher who frequently quotes from or otherwise alludes to literary sources in his work — that the “in-story” version of the moment features not only Vizh and the Torch, but the original “artificial man” himself — i.e., the Frankenstein Monster.
Meanwhile, even as Hawkeye gets ready to take his one, desperate shot, Thor finally catches up with Kang and Wonder Man — but before battle can recommence, two more members of our rather large cast show up…
Ultimately, the question of whether knowing about the relationship between himself and the Vision would spur Wonder Man to overcome the will of Kang becomes moot, as Vizh discovers that he’s still able to become diamond-hard…
For the second time in three months, Kang the Conqueror makes his exit. I’m sure that, this time, it’ll be years before any writer brings him back. Right?
In the first panel above, the caption’s reference to “Warrior Madness” is almost certainly a callback on Thomas’ part to Thor #166 (Jul., 1969) — although the God of Thunder’s wrath in that particular Lee-Kirby classic seemed a good deal more savage and uncontrollable than what he’s demonstrated in these pages. But, whatever…
And now we see how, without ever explicitly referencing the previous “hints” from Avengers #93 and #102, Englehart has been setting up the revelation regarding the Vision’s true nature via what seemed to be an unrelated ongoing subplot of his own: Vizh’s mysterious temporary spells of “weakness”, which had first surfaced in Avengers #118, then made return appearances in issues #122 and Giant-Size Avengers #2…
For the most part, one can read through both Avengers #132 and Giant-Size Avengers #3 without being constantly reminded that these stories have been scripted by Roy Thomas, rather than Steve Englehart; generally speaking, the voices of the individual characters, as well as the style of the narrative captions, are in line with what we’ve grown used to over the past couple of years’ worth of Avengers stories. But the exchange between the Vision and Mantis is something of an exception, at least for this reader; as written by Englehart, Mantis may regularly come off as somewhat aloof and occasionally even above-it-all, but I don’t thin we’ve ever seen her portrayed as quite this cold before now.
Rama-Tut is of course quoting from William Shakespeare, here; the specific passage comes from Hamlet, Act I, scene 3, where it’s spoken by Polonius — a character whom, it’s generally agreed, Shakespeare means to come across as a pompous windbag, rather than as a genuinely wise man. (In Rama’s defense, a lot of people in the 21st century get this wrong, too.)
Wait, what now? Immortus is Kang too? It’s a pretty cool idea, actually — but one may quite justifiably feel that our storytellers — Steve Englehart, in particular — haven’t played fair with readers in setting up this development. After all, everything that Immortus said, did, and even thought in previous episodes gave every indication that his objectives were exactly what he told Kang they were, and gave nary a hint that he was playing some sort of long game by keeping his true identity a secret from his younger selves.
Englehart appears to have realized this; months later, in a special note included on the letters page of Avengers #136, he acknowledged “several rough edges in AVENGERS #132 AND GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS #3” he felt needed explanation, and the biggest one was that “a whole history of Immortus, which would have bolstered his seemingly-out-of-left-field claim of being another identity of Kang/Rama Tut was somehow omitted…” OK, good to know. (What were the other “rough edges”, you ask? Ah, well, I’m afraid we’ll have to save discussion of those for a later post.)
The Torch’s crack about betting a “Roosevelt nickel” sounds like the kind of 1940’s-specific reference that Roy Thomas loved to come up with — but if it is, I haven’t been able to find any record of it.
Anyway, this is where we’ll have to leave our storyline for the present. But the quest will indeed go on in Avengers #133; and, just to be clearer than Thomas’ script actually was on this point, we’ll actually be dealing with two quests — one to find out how the Torch became the Vision, and another to get to the bottom of this whole “Celestial Madonna” business — when next we check in with Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, a couple of months from now.
Before we wrap up this post, however, here’s the opening splash page of the vintage reprint that filled out the remainder of Giant-Size Avengers #3’s non-ad, non-text pages:
Like the caption says, this early adventure first had appeared in Avengers #2 (Nov., 1963), and was the work of the classic combo of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, with Paul Reinman on inks. At this time, it had only been reprinted once, in Marvel Super-Heroes Annual #1 (Oct., 1966). — and, given that that book had been published a whole year before ever I purchased my first Marvel comic, my younger self was happy to finally have a chance to read it, even in an edited form. (Panels had been excised so that the original 22-pager would come in at 20 tops — and, no, I didn’t notice at the time.) The reprinted tale even managed to complement G-SA #3’s lead story, as it featured the first appearance of Marvel’s version of Limbo — albeit the portion of that timeless realm that was lorded over by the Space Phantom, with the as-yet-uninvented “ruler” of Limbo, Immortus, understandably nowhere to be seen.
*Oddly enough, during this period, the letters page in Avengers #115 (Sep., 1973) — likely put together by Englehart, though Thomas was of course the editor of record — inadvertently spilled the beans, well in advance of G-SA #3’s in-story reveal. There, a letter written by Duffy Vohland — a future Marvel staffer — ended with the following postscript:
A full two years later, an editorial comment in the letters column of Avengers #139 (Sep., 1975) explained that “a printer’s error in the letters page of #115” had resulted in the accidental publication of “a PS not to be printed”; in that postscript, Vohland had been “referring to an interview with Neal [Adams]” Based on Vohland’s original missive, that interview evidently ran in a publication called Gallery.
Gentlemen of a certain age will likely remember seeing issues of Gallery on magazine racks (specifically, those partially-obscured racks they kept behind the sales counter) through most of the decade of the Seventies and beyond; perhaps they even bought an issue or two, back in the days of their youth. Beginning publication in late 1972, Gallery was an upscale skin magazine on the order of Playboy, meaning that it had lots and lots of words in addition to all the nekkid pitchers.
While I haven’t been able to find any record of Gallery carrying a proper, full-length interview with Neal Adams circa 1972-73, the February, 1973 issue did include an article by Terry Fox entitled “Comics Collectors Arise!” Given the timing of this piece’s appearance relative to Avengers #115’s publication, I’m inclined to believe this is where Adams broke the big story that the Human Torch and the Vision were the same android — even if nobody seems to have noticed at the time but the late Mr. Vohland. (Though in the magazine’s readers’ defense, there was an interview with Jack Lemmon in that issue, as well as new fiction by Robert “Psycho” Bloch. And oh, yeah, a pictorial of Brigitte Bardot…)
























































Don Blake learning he was a magical construct it didn’t seem to affect his self-concept at all. He just carried on without thinking about it during Stan’s time on the title and subsequent writers, if they used Blake, just went with it.
There’s one weird moment (not long after the warrior-madness story) where we learn Blake’s a genius surgeon because he knows Asgardian surgical techniques — there’s never been a hint before or since that Thor has skills like that, let alone that he can share them with Don.
The Legion of the Unliving puzzled me a little at the time, more on rereading: Kang last time mentioned pulling them out of time from before their death but here they’re shown to be resurrectees.
I’m also curious what about Vizh’ convinced the Torch they were one person?
Despite those niggling details, I love this arc and these stories. Terrific stuff that I can reread as happily as I read the first time.
Simply amazing detective work with the letter and then the men’s magazine!
Thanks, Spider!
I loved Englehart’s entire original run and these issues were no exception. The Torch-Vision reveal and Wanda’s journey was amazing and the secret history of the Kree-Skrull Wars soon to come.
As an aside, that Adams drawn story with Pym traveling through the Vision sticks in my mind for a negative reason too. Remember when the word android originally meant that human biological processes were duplicated by technological means? That story was the last gasp I recall for that definition. Years of artists and other media depicting those called androids with entirely robotic and sometimes even solid-state electronics (I’m looking at you) have effected a kind of lingual drift where android now is pretty much synonymous with robot. That low level annoys me to this day.
Hence Roy coining “synthozoid” for the Vision.
Unless it’s been ret-conned into something more specific, the thing that Ant-Man and O.T. (Original Torch) both saw in Vizh’s android body could be something as simple as a Maker’s Mark or a manufacturer’s label. Something small enough not to be immediately noticeable, but recognizable when seen by folks with a particular set of skills. Otherwise, what else could it be that was so unique to the Torch in his construction and yet well-known enough for Hank Pym to know what it was? This is probably why Thomas never fully identified what Hank and O.T. saw; because he couldn’t come up with a gizmo that would make sense.
While the story here is great, I agree with you Alan, that Cockrum’s art suffers at the hands of Joe Geilla’s inks. Midnight, in particular, is problematic with his hat at first sitting on his head like a pie plate, then disappearing altogether for several pages and making Midnight look like a cheap Black Panther knock-off, and then at the end, when the hat reappears, but instead of looking like a Zorro hat without the fringe per usual, it’s a fedora! Just laziness on someone’s part and I found it distracting.
Wasn’t surprised to find out Immortus was another version of Kang. It made sense, given the way the rest of the story came out. I know there are issues with Immortus being Kang that aren’t taken into account here, but I’m not exactly an Immortus expert, so they don’t stick out to me now and certainly didn’t stick out to me in 1974. Englehart being Englehart, I’m sure he had an explanation all teed up and ready to go, one he could find a place to stick it in somewhere. Thanks, Alan! Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
I got Avengers #132 off the racks at the Treasure Island NEX, but had to wait until the 1980s to get the Giant-Size conclusion. Even so, I wasn’t particularly surprised when I got #133 to find that Iron Man & Vizh had been thoroughly healed of the inflictions they had suffered in the previous issue. Well, hell, I suppose Limbo really is a place where nothing really happens or if it does happen, it doesn’t stick! I had gotten the reprint of Immortus’ previous full appearance, Avengers #10, wherein he pitted that earlier set of Avengers against Attila, Paul Bunyan, the biblical Goliath, Merlin and a version of Hercules that looks nothing like the one Kirby would introduce in another year or so in Thor. I think I was 9 or 10 when I read that in Marvel Triple Action, and to be honest, I thought it was a rather goofy story. Actually, many of the early Avengers’ yarns were goofy. A few gems here and there, but it took a while for the Avengers to become consistently good or to even rise to the lever of greatness. Of this two-fer battle with the Legion of the Unliving, I found it entertaining enough, even with the fakeout death of Iron Man & near death of Vision. Admittedly, my much older, gray-haired self can find all sort of things to nitpick on the story. A big thing is how is the android Human Torch such an expert on his own body? It’s not like he created himself or was programmed to be a genius on building androids or would have been capable of performing surgery on himself. Not surprising that neither Adams, Thomas nor Englehart could think of whatever it could be that Henry Pym and Jim Hammond saw that shocked them so. Maybe they saw the phrase “Phineas Horton was here and swears he heard a Who,, June 30, 1939” etched on one of the android bones of Hammond/Vizh. Maybe in later decades someone else figured it out. I do recall reading that John Byrne retconned away the evolution of Hammond into Vizh, which just seems such a Byrnish thing to do when he doesn’t like how someone else played with Marvel’s toys.
When I finally read GS-A#3, I didn’t really notice the art being subpar, although GS-A#4 dipped so far down artistically it was impossible not to notice. Heck’s art looked reasonably good in Giant-Size Defenders #4,but GS-A #4 just looked abominable.
Anyhow, another fun round reminiscing on these old yarns and Happy Thanksgiving, Alan and everyone else!
Alan, your commentary of Giant-Size Avengers # 3 was a real pleasure for me, as the issue introduced my 8-year-old self to the original Human Torch, Baron Zemo and Wonder Man, not to mention the titanic revelation of the Vision being a modified version of the Non-Human Torch, as well as Immortus being yet a future iteration of both Kang and Rama-Tut. As for the former, it brings back a memory of an opportunity forever lost. I had the star-struck pleasure of talking with Neal Adams at the Terrificon at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut a few times over the span of several years. On the last occasion, I asked him a few questions about the panels in Avengers # 93 where Ant-Man discovered something startling inside the Vision. He cryptically mentioned that the Torch was actually the second iteration of a chronologically earlier character, and that I could learn more when he returned the next year. Alas, to our mutual sadness, Neal was never to return, so I’m still mystified as to what other precursor character he could have meant. Perhaps some of you other fans might take a stab at this?
A few trivial typos/errors: In the recap of Avengers # 132, Thor bangs Mjolnir down on the floor and becomes Don Blake, …..”Ph.D.”???? Was it part of Odin’s lesson in humility for his wayward son to arrange for Don to earn a medical degree with an alternate credential than an “M.D.”? Later on in the panels with the Hooded Guy, the text is ” …. placing hand to forehand…”, I don’t think the Rascally One meant to make a reference to the “Balanced One’s” tennis shot. Then in the longer recap of Giant-Size Avengers # 3, Hawkeye is shown in Immortus’s chamber looking at the throne. On the very next page, Dave Cockrum drew nearly the exact same pose, except that the piece over his eye looks different. Perhaps an error by inker Joe Giella or colorist Petra Goldberg?
Lastly, I would have thought that Hawkeye would have absolutely no sympathy at all for Zemo’s protoplasmic state given that he was an eyewitness (via time-travel) to Captain America & Bucky’s fateful last battle with the not-so-good Baron. All in all, I enjoyed Cockrum’s art with Giella, although I agree with others that Cockrum’s combination of pencils and inks in was excellent in Giant-Size # 2. I sure wish that Sal Buscema would have been replaced by Cockrum in the regular series instead of George Tuska (what were they thinking?) Little did I know that Cockrum would co-create history in just a few short months!
Yeah, Jay, I caught the Ph.D. reference too. While I suppose it’s possible that Odin fleshed out Thor’s fake civilian id with an additional doctorate in another field, it’s more than likely a gaffe. I wonder if you could still apply for a “no-prize” fifty years after the fact?
Actually, if Odin wanted to teach Thor humility, there probably aren’t many better ways than to force him to defend his doctoral thesis. 😀
Thanks Alan for another excellent review. I remember at first being quite pleased to see Roy’s name in the writer credits for AV 132 and GSA 3 as I enjoyed his Avengers run tremendously and considered him one of my favorite writers, although because of his EIC duties, we hadn’t seen much writing from him except Conan and Conan-related writing for the past 2 years…although that was about to change significantly. What I did realize after reading these books, and even now after your review, is that Steve Englehart had found his voice on the Avengers, and even though Roy did a perfectly fine job on both books, something felt off…perhaps it was reflected by Mantis’ behavior at the end of GSA 3. But I was very glad that Englehart was back with AV 133. And yes that comment by the original Human Torch in the last panel of GSA 3 was very jarring and might have made more sense if the Invaders was already on the stands…but it wasn’t yet. Also I thought the Torch was taken from a different time period..the 50s (so also, how would he know anything about Johnny Storm if he was taken before his encounter with him in FF Annual 4? Just curious). In retrospect, the whole Legion of the Unliving was a bit confusing…only the Ghost and the Frankenstein Monster were really “unliving.” The others were supposed to have been taken from periods just before they “died.” And the Torch is an android so what death means for him is unclear. Also not clear why Kang revived Zemo since Cap/Nomad was not part of this Avengers team and Zemo was not really a physical threat to the Avengers… Cap always went nuts seeing Zemo but otherwise as was shown the other Avengers were well ready to take him down. At the time I was somewhat ambivalent about Joe Giella’s inking on Cockrum who was definitely his own best inker, but when I look at it now, it’s not that bad, especially when I recall the major disappointment in the art for GSA 4, which was an important story and the conclusion of this whole saga…but I presume there will be plenty to discuss about that soon enough. One last thought…it was implied that the original Torch and the Vision would learn about how the Torch became the Vision together, but when we open AV 133 the Torch is gone, presumably sent back by Immortus. I don’t believe that was explained in the comics but in the letters page there was some sort of explanation that it might cause confusion with other plans for the Torch (which of course was the Invaders). I’m not sure that makes much sense since GS Invaders 1 did not appear until after this whole storyline was over,,,but who knows? Also, it occurs to me that it is unclear where Immortus was sending Rama-Tut, but since that may have had to do with Immortus’ future he may not have wanted to tell the Avengers about that. Anyway..happy Thanksgiving!
You have a point about Rama-Tut — he just woke out of suspended animation so it’s not like he can go back to Egypt.
It’s possible he took the Torch from right after he battled the Fantastic Four, which would explain things.
I thought all did a really good job on GS Avengers 3, although I would not necessarily have chosen Giella as an inker for Cockrum.
A couple of snafus not picked up: In Avengers #132 Thor can’t make a dent on the walls of the maze/labyrinth. ‘Even Mjolnir cannot shatter the stones that hem me in’ says Thor. The message does not appear to have been passed on to artist Cockrum, who draws Thor knocking blocks out of the stone walls and floor, then has Wonder Man rip our boulders from the walls, causing the ceiling to cave in. Another was the letters page of #131 where the identity of the man in the hood is arguably revealed!
@frasersherman #131 has the Torch being plucked from 1954, so the Jonny Storm comment was very much an oversight by Roy.
Finally, is the bearded figure top panel on page 11 Dave Cockrum?? Certainly looks like it!
Cochrum had been Murphy Anderson’s assistant. Anderson and Cockrum sharded the trait of having few compatible inkers (Si Berry for Anderson, Bob Layton for Cockrum).
They shared one other trait: Joe Giella was not really compatible for either.
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Probably do to printing issues in the 1970s, this reproduction looks better than the original.
Maybe it didn’t happen as often as my memory suggests, but there seemed to be a somewhat meta-aware thing towards the end of the Roy Thomas run which Steve Englehart picked up on and Thomas continued here, where one Avenger comes out with some witty (or sometimes comic-booky insane) dialogue, and there would be a team-mate on hand with a comeback similar to “Well said, Avenger!” for example – #94: “Y’know, I’m getting to where I don’t care much for that guy”, “Well put, my friend”, and #121: “This is the first time I’ve actually exchanged greetings with any of you star-crossed criminals, gentlemen! Hello!”, “Well spoke, Panther!”
Such is the scene here with Thor and the Vision, after the Vision’s bombshell about his origins and Thor can only manage “Eh?” in response, but Vizh still comes back with “Well put, Thunder God”. Made me smile anyway.
I have a couple of questions and comments here. In issue no. 132, Rascally Roy has Baron Zemo say, “The monster of Mary Shelley is no longer with us.” Now I never read Marvel’s 1970s monster line, at least not the books that featured literary monsters of the past (I did read “Werewolf by Night” and Ghost Rider”). I always assumed that Marvel just took the public domain story and made it their own, and even if they credited Mary Shelley on a cover or opening splash page, the monster was not considered in the Marvel Universe to be a literary character really brought to life. Was this a rare instance of the Rascally One showing off his considerable literary knowledge in an inappropriate way?
Second, at the end of #132, both of the Vision’s arms are shown to be fine or at least visibly uninjured. However, when Giant Size Avengers #3 comes around, suddenly an arm is badly damaged and is covered by his cloak for the entire issue until healed by Immortus. This seems to be a goof too.
Alan, the reason you can’t find any history on “the Roosevelt nickel” is because there wasn’t any. Thomas Jefferson has been on nickel currency since 1938. Franklin Roosevelt was placed on a dime in 1946 and Theodore Roosevelt was never on any coin currency (I was going to write that a person cannot be placed on currency while living before remembering that the Torch was removed from his time after 1946).
Looking at these goofs, to say nothing of all of the other goofs Alan that you and the other commenters have noted and reiterated, makes me think that Rascally Roy wasn’t particularly thrilled to be doing this last-minute fill-in on two important issues. His professional career was going through a sudden change because of his nobly giving up his editorship so as not to inform on his fellow creatives. At the time, he surely must not have been happy with the situation. I think this because I love the Rascally One’s work and usual consistency and am shocked by all of the errors here (I even blame Thomas here for not realizing that Cockrum suddenly created an arm injury for the Vision that previously wasn’t there).
At the time I first read the books when I was 13 though, I just enjoyed the ride as Roy Thomas and Stainless Steve Engelhart were my favorite writers. I’m glad Alan that Engelhart was one of your favorite writers too so I get to relive all of my favorite stories in your blog. I guess that you too think that D.C. stopped doing anything really interesting in the 1970s in the super hero line after 1971-72.
Re: Mary Shelley, at some point it’s established that Shelley’s novel (which she supposedly based on the “true” story) exists in the Marvel Universe, just like Bram Stoker’s “Dracula” co-exists with the “real” Count. I’m not sure when that happens, but I think it’s before G-SA #3.
As for DC’s superhero line — I *do* think that there was interesting stuff “after 1971-72” — just not very much in 1973-74. 🙂 FYI, you can expect to see more DC-oriented posts in the coming year (although at first they’ll mostly be about sword-and-sorcery comics, not the capes ‘n’ tights books).
Some additional comments: Really nice cover to GS#3, but Iron Man should not have been on the cover ( as being deceased) and of course the comment ‘one of us will die’ really refers to #132.
@stuart, I read the Vision’s arm situation as part of the injuries caused by the Ghost, and this did not bother me at all on re-reading the story. In fact, I found GS#3 very satisfying this time round, much more that when I first read it. I even found the art much more to my liking and note that the Grand Comics Database list Cockrum as only providing layouts.