Captain Marvel #41 (November, 1975)

Back in April we looked at Captain Marvel #39, featuring “The Trial of the Watcher”.  As you may recall, that issue’s trial of “our” Watcher, Uatu, had been held on the home planet of his people, and ended with him getting off the charge of breaking the Watchers’ vow of non-intervention by promising he’d be a good boy and never doing it again.  That might have seemed like an exceedingly small slap on the wrist, given that Uatu had conspired with the group of renegade Kree known as the Lunatic Legion to not only capture but to outright kill our hero, Captain Marvel, before coming to his senses, but whattya gonna do?  The story ended with Mar-Vell literally shrugging off the whole episode, and implicitly inviting us readers to do the same. 

And so, taking our cue from “the most cosmic superhero of all” himself, we’ll proceed directly to the next bi-monthly issue of the series, #40.  Appearing in June, 1975, it featured a cover by the same team of Al Milgrom and Klaus Janson who’d been handling both the covers and the interior artwork for the past couple of issues.  But while a flip to the story’s opening splash page confirmed that Milgrom remained on board as penciller, it also let us know that Janson had yielded the inkwell to Al McWilliams — a comics industry veteran of some thirty-seven years’ experience who unquestionably knew his stuff, but whose more traditional approach to rendering came as something of a jolt after Janson’s more textured and illustrative finishes.

Continuing on with the series along with Al Milgrom was writer Steve Englehart, who’d come on board this title with issue #33 to provide the verbiage over auteur Jim Starlin’s plot and pictures.  Following Starlin’s departure with the following issue, Englehart had stuck around; he’d been joined by Milgrom as the book’s co-plotter, as well as its artist, beginning with CM #37.

Englehart and Milgrom basically drop us right into (and then just as quickly take us out of) the bizarre and rather disturbing events of this opening scene without any explanation; if you’d just stared reading this title in the last year or two, you’d likely have no idea whether the unfortunate woman depicted here is someone whom readers (or Captain Mar-Vell) might have met before, let alone what her name might be.

From Captain Marvel #12 (Apr., 1969). Text by Arnold Drake; art by Dick Ayers and Syd Shores

From Captain Marvel #29 (Nov., 1973). Text by Jim Starlin; art by Starlin and Al Milgrom.

But fans who’d faithfully followed the heroic Kree captain ever since his introduction back in 1967’s Marvel Super-Heroes #12 — or even just since 1973’s Captain Marvel #29 — would recognize the young lady with the short red hair as Medic Una, Mar-Vell’s tragic lost love, who’d been slain by his enemies in  CM #11 (Mar., 1969) and then, one issue later, had been laid to rest by Marv himself on an airless planetoid “somewhere near Mars”.  There she had remained, lifeless but uncorrupted*, until the enigmatic cosmic entity Eon had revived her as part of his “break down to build back up” makeover of Captain Marvel in the pivotal issue #29 — that is to say, he’d revived her in the sense of re-animating her body, but hadn’t restored her soul in the process.  And that’s how she’d evidently been left, once Eon’s little reconstruction project on Mar-Vell was complete.  Given the circumstances, Marv might well have assumed that Eon had subsequently restored Una’s corpse to its former, inert state… though he clearly hasn’t bothered to check back to make sure.  (Though, in Marv’s defense, he has been pretty busy ever since #29, what with Thanos and the Lunatic Legion and the Watchers and everything.)

Anyway, if one already knew all that back-story (as did my younger self), you could feel like you had at least a glimmer of what our hero was about to be in for.  Otherwise, of course, you’d be almost as clueless as Captain Marvel himself is at this juncture of our story, as he, Uatu, and Marv’s Earthling friend Rick Jones arrive back at the Watcher’s home base, i.e., the Blue Area of Earth’s moon.

As we rejoin the space travelers, Rick is still grumbling about how all Uatu had to do to get off scot-free was to give his word to his fellow Watchers that he’d behave himself in the future.  Uatu seems to take some slight umbrage at this analysis…

In August, 1975, I’m pretty sure that I had no idea that Rick’s friend and supposed musical partner Rachel “Dandy” Dandridge was riffing on a line originally written in 1931 by the American poet Ogden Nash.:  “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.”  In fact, although I’m sure I’d heard or read the full quote in the decades sense, I didn’t know its provenance until just a couple of months ago, when that information was shared on the Marvel Collected Editions Message Board by user “gardibolt”; so, thanks, gardi.  (Just for the record, the full line had much more recently been quoted by Gene Wilder in the 1971 film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, so it’s at least possible that Englehart picked it up there, rather than from Nash.)

Before moving on from this scene, let’s take note of the brief moment where Dandy asks Rick about his “personal thing” and he responds that they should talk about it.  Presumably, he wants to tell her about his experiences after dropping the LSD she’d given him, telling him it was “Vitamin C” (though I think it’s a safe bet he’s not planning to mention being in the Negative Zone at the time, or how the mutual impairment of Rick and Mar-Vell almost got them both killed on the Moon).  Is Rick angry with Dandy about that whole thing?  Happy?  It’s hard to tell from his expression, as rendered by Milgrom and McWilliams.  Anyway, we’ll never know, because the two never get around to having that conversation (at least, not on panel).

And now, for a change of scene:

Poor Marv.  All this time on Earth, and just about the only people he knows to say goodbye to before heading back home to Hala are his work friends (more like acquaintances, honestly) in the Avengers — and they’re not even home.  So, after making his polite farewells to the team’s butler Jarvis, our hero flies off to look up just about the only other people he knows well enough to bother taking leave of: his old colleagues at Cape Canaveral, Florida, where he’d posed for a time as scientist Walter Lawson.  Foremost among these, of course, is security officer Carol Danvers, who at this very moment is overseeing the imminent launch of an unmanned rocket…

Along with worrying about whether he still has his finger on the pulse of today’s youth, Rick frets about the fact that he’s had no time to rehearse his act before going on stage.  But manager Mordecai P. Boggs assures him there’s nothing to worry about.  “You’ll be a sensation out there!” he exclaims as he guides Rick towards the stage door.  “Trust me!”

Meanwhile, upon his arrival at the Cape, Captain Marvel quickly susses out that a launch in in the works, and that he’ll have to wait at bit before speaking with Carol.  But then, flying over the launch pad, he realizes something’s off, as there’s a small, indistinct figure walking around alone down there.  Hardly has he registered that incongruous fact, however, then four Sidewinder missiles suddenly take off from the pad and head straight for him.  And then, things take an even worse turn…

It looks bad for our Kree captain — but, with his mastery of military tactics, he ultimately manages to win through by pulling the nega-band off his right wrist and flinging it at the Sidewinders, which fall into one another domino-style and explode, disabling the rocket.  (Trust me, it looks as silly on the page as it reads in this synopsis.)  Shaken but uninjured, Mar-Vell descends to earth and enters the base’s command center, where he immediately encounters a bruised and battered Carol Danvers…

From Captain Marvel #20 (Jun., 1970). Text by Roy Thomas; art by Gil Kane and Dan Adkins.

From Incredible Hulk #1 (May, 1962). Text by Stan Lee; art by Jack Kirby and Paul Reinman.

Not counting the harmonica solo he was playing in the middle of the desert when we first met him way back in Incredible Hulk #1 (May, 1962), the first indication we’d been given regarding Rick Jones’ musical aspirations had come in Captain Marvel #18 (Nov., 1969), where he’d played an impromptu acoustic number at a cafe (and thus happened to attract the interest of one Mordecai P. Boggs).  But as soon thereafter as CM #20 (Jun., 1970), Rick had begun gigging on the Greenwich Village coffeehouse circuit, and so seemed justified in referring to himself in that issue as “a folk-rock comer” — especially if the reactions of his audience at one such performance (see right) were anything to go by.

Had that much really changed in the conjoined worlds of popular music and youth culture between 1970 and 1975?  I’m not sure it had… and if Rick’s “50’s haircut” (the same one he’d had since 1962) really was such a big deal, then it seems it should have made a difference back in 1970 as well, when Rick hardly fit into the long-haired mold of other sensitive singer-songwriter types like James Taylor or Jackson Browne.  I guess the spacesuit could have been a deal-breaker — although, clearly, the real reason that Rick Jones was literally trashing his music career before our eyes was that the Marvel storytellers presently guiding his destiny had no interest in dealing with it.  Englehart and Milgrom liked having Rick as an ongoing character in Captain Marvel, but the titular star of the book was about to leave Earth, so…

In the end, this was hardly the last time we’d see Rick Jones making music on stage — or even the last time we’d see Dandy or Mordecai, for that matter.  But as far as the Englehart-Milgrom run on Captain Marvel was concerned, this was the day the music died.

Meanwhile, back at the Cape…

Mar-Vell regrets that the real Una died never knowing that her suspicions of him and Carol were unfounded, and that he truly did love only her.  He admits as much, but the entity possessing Una’s body isn’t interested in explanations, or even apologies…. only in tapping into Una’s pain, which nourishes and strengthens it…

Given that Captain Marvel had already resolved to leave Earth, there’s no compelling narrative reason for Englehart and Milgrom to have put him through the agonizing trauma he’s just experienced.  But the event dramatically underscores that decision, making it seem less casual as well as less easily reversed, and also provides balance to the trauma that drives Rick Jones to the even more monumental choice to leave the planet of his birth behind.  It’s a development that serves to strengthen the newly-voluntary bond between the two characters, and helps make this issue’s conclusion feel like a major change of direction in the series.  And it is a major change in direction — one that won’t be walked back for the duration of Englehart and Milgrom’s joint run, although I’m sure it will come as no surprise to anyone reading this that Mar-Vell as well as Rick will, in fact, find their way back to our own terrestrial sphere, eventually.

Moving on to the following issue, which came out in August, 1975, we’ll start with the cover (please scroll back to the top of the post if you need to refresh your memory) — a solo job by Milgrom which, at least to your humble blogger, seems to echo the cover provided by Don Heck and Syd Shores for Captain Marvel #16, back in 1969.  I have no idea if this call-back was intentional; but it’s appropriate in any case, since, as we’ll see soon enough, the events of the story within parallel those of that earlier issue, as well.

Turning to the book’s opening pages, we’re greeted by another change on the inking front — though we won’t learn the specifics of who’s succeeded Al McWilliams until after we’ve perused not just the initial full-page splash, but the double-page spread which immediately follows it, as well:

See all those surnames listed as inkers?  Yep, this was a team effort, as Milgrom himself inked some bits (such as that impressive portrait/montage opening splash) while Bernie Wrightson, P. Craig Russell, Bob McLeod, and Terry Austin filled in elsewhere.  And unlike some other multi-inker jobs we’ve looked at in the past, where each artist has done a handful of more-or-less consecutive pages, the contributions of these five finishers are (per the Grand Comics Database) all over the place.  As an example, just on this spread, the left-hand tier of panels was inked by Russell, while Bernie Wrightson embellished the right-hand splash panel’s Captain Marvel figure, and Terry Austin handled all the backgrounds for the same.  Considering the sheer number of hands involved, it’s a credit to all of these artists that the spread succeeds as well as it does as a unified and consistent piece of comics art. (Due to the haphazard nature of the inkers’ respective contributions, and in the interest of not unduly breaking the story’s narrative flow, we won’t be calling out each artist’s work every time it shows up; however, we will be taking note of at least one example of the only one of the five whose inks aren’t represented on these first three pages, i.e., Bob McLeod, when the right opportunity presents itself.)

The last time that Rick Jones was on Hala, it was during the Kree-Skrull War, and he’d been a captive — so he’s a little apprehensive about what sort of reception he’ll receive from the populace.  But Mar-Vell is certain that everything will be fine, given that both he and Rick have been favored by the Supreme Intelligence, who — after having been briefly deposed by Ronan the Accuser prior to that very war — is once again firmly in charge.  And, indeed, everybody they pass on the street seems pretty chill, at least at first…

The appearance on this page of the Universal Church of Truth is of course a nod to what Englehart and Milgrom’s mutual friend and frequent collaborator Jim Starlin have been getting up to recently over in Warlock.  I suppose that one might quibble that, in that book, the “religion” founded by Adam Warlock’s evil future self, the Magus, seems to be a thoroughly militant movement that acquires new converts via “holy” wars of conquest and subjugation, rather than by the sort of missionary work implied by the presence of a temple sitting on a corner on the Kree homeworld; still, it’s a nice little bit that unobtrusively reminds us that the current adventures of Marvel’s two most cosmic heroes are in fact occurring at the same time, in the same universe.

Um. “the green priest“?  I guess colorist Phil Rachelson didn’t get the note that the Universal Church of Truth’s Black Knight wasn’t himself a Kree, and shouldn’t be colored blue… oh, well.

What the –? The Lunatic Legion?  But we thought we’d seen the last of those guys following their ignominious defeat at the end of CM #38, right?  Though, on second thought, we never did see just what happened to Zarek and his pals in the aftermath of that defeat… and if they were no longer hiding out at the Watcher’s digs in the Blue Area of the Moon, as the opening scenes of issue #40 implied to be the case, I guess they had to go somewhere.  Still, the audience chamber of the Supreme Intelligence is surely the last place one would expect to find them, for the very good reason Captain Marvel proceeds to point out below:

“– as they said ‘way back in the ’60’s!“… “they” in this case being Bob Dylan, in 1965’s “Subterranean Homesick Blues”.

The series of “everything you thought you knew is wrong” revelations delivered by the Supreme Intelligence in this sequence technically has to be classified as a retcon, I suppose, as this was almost certainly not what the writers of the original stories referred to here had in mind.  But if so, it’s a retcon that plays fair with the reader; it doesn’t hand-wave away anything that actually happened in those stories, and its internal logic holds together well.  For those reasons, it’s a lot more successful than the last time Steve Englehart tried something like this, back in Captain America #186.

Before proceeding, we’ll take this opportunity to highlight the fact that the following page features the inking of Bob McLeod; for comparison’s sake, the one immediately proceeded it was embellished by P. Craig Russell, while the two that follow it showcase the finishes of penciller Al Milgrom himself.

The sudden heel turn taken by the Supreme Intelligence in this issue pretty much puts paid to the relatively benign take that has held true for the character ever since he gave Mar-Vell his new outfit back in Captain Marvel #16; henceforth, he’ll be pretty consistently portrayed as an out-and-out villain (which, for what it’s worth, is almost certainly what his original creators, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, had in mind in the first place).

We mentioned earlier that the events of CM #41, like its cover, include notable parallels to those of #16.  Along with the whole basic scenario of Mar-Vell having a revelatory audience with the Supreme Intelligence, and the unexpected appearance of Zarek, here’s another — namely, the mid-story entrance of…

While Marv struggles against Ronan’s onslaught, Rick considers the situation, finding the whole thing more than a little fishy; after all, if “Frog-face” (i.e., the Supreme Intelligence) wants to fight Mar-Vell himself, then he can’t want Ronan to win,,, which is what seems to be about to happen.  Ultimately, however, Rick has little choice but to join the fray, and launches himself at the Accuser’s back, staggering him…

And so we come to an inconclusive resolution, as well as a setup for the series’ near future.  Along with giving us a glimpse of storylines to come, the two-tier “Prologue” that concludes this issue signifies a subtle but definite change in the nature of Steve Englehart and Al Milgrom’s collaboration as co-plotters.  As Englehart wrote in his 2011 introduction to Marvel Masterworks — Captain Marvel, Vol. 4:

…Al and I were definitely co-creating, and to this point, I’d been driving most of the plot points.  On the one hand, it was okay, with both him and me, because I was the seasoned vet and he was just getting started as a creator in his own right.  On the other hand, he wasn’t getting enough “co” as a creator.  So beginning with #42, we shifted the balance of power and let him take the lead for a while.

This adjustment would make for a marked difference in tone in the issues to come, with Milgrom bringing a more comedic tone to Captain Marvel than had heretofore been seen; though, even so, the overhanging threat of the Supreme Intelligence would remain the main driver of the series’ ongoing plotline, all the way up to the concluding installment of the Englehart-Milgrom run… in an issue which, bizarrely, didn’t even include Englehart’s name in the credits.  But that’s a story for another post, which you can expect to see coming your way some ten months from now.

 

*As reader frasersherman recently reminded me via a comment on my Captain Marvel #12 post of some six years back, there’s a scene in issue #13 where Mar-Vell’s enemy Yon-Rogg (who’d carried his own torch for his ship’s medic) rants to our hero about his intention to “restore the vital forces to her [Una’s] body”.  That could be taken to suggest that Una hadn’t been killed completely dead in issue #11, but was rather left in some sort of death-like trance… though, given that that idea was never followed up on by anyone, and in light of what later went down in #29 as well as what happens in this issue, I think the line is probably best taken as meaning that Yon-Rogg actually meant to resurrect Una’s quite dead, but perfectly preserved, body in some fashion… though the matter is certainly open to interpretation, and your own headcanon may vary.

23 comments

  1. Man of Bronze · August 30

    Dorothy Dandridge, perhaps most famous for her role in the 1959 “Porgy and Bess” film, was Dandy’s inspiration:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Dandridge

    I own this issue, and recognize Wrightson’s inks on all panels of that two page spread except for Terry Austin’s background buildings in the large panel, which you cited. Berni shows up a bit in at least one of section of panels that you uploaded as well.

  2. Bill Nutt · August 30

    Hey, Alan,

    Despite my well-documented deep and abiding love of Englehart’s writing on DR. STRANGE and AVENGERS, I never completely warmed up to his CAPTAIN MARVEL. Looking back, I have to say that part of the problem might have been Milgrom’s art. I didn’t mind it so much when it was Klaus Janson on inks, but after his departure, Milgrom just never quite did it for me.

    For issue #41, Englehart ripped off the “begin with an epilogue/end with a prologue” from Jack Kirby and NEW GODS #1. Hey, if you’re going to steal, steal from the best, right? I had remembered that, but I had forgotten the retconning in the middle. Looking back, I do think it works, and it would not be the last time that Englehart would try to craft a framework so the approaches of diverse creators on a character could all hang together. (And at some point, Alan, I need to go back over your postings from mid-2024 to mid-2025, when I was sorta on hiatus. I have – thoughts about CAPTAIN AMERICA #186.)

    By the way, note that the Supreme Intelligence refers to his dialogue from the Kree-Skrull War, which Englehart quotes verbatim. (Surprised it wasn’t footnoted, but I guess there were already enough of those in this issue.) This was definitely one of things I most admired about Englehart, the way he was able to build on and reference what came before and then use it to go forward.

    I forget if all six of the items in the Prologue ever actually cropped up in the ensuing issues. I know the space traveller was Drax, the Millennia-Bloom Perfume did appear, as did the prospector and the uncovered gem. But I forget if the circuit and the pitch of the cosmic gyros were ever explained. I remember a friend saying many years later that Englehart might have had a hand in putting ALL the Infinity Gems (they were Gems then, not Stones, and that’s what I still call them – sorry, not sorry) into play before the actual INFINITY GAUNTLET storyline.

    So it was fun revisiting this issue, though I still considered it the lesser child compared to what Englehart was doing elsewhere.

    Happy Labor Day weekend, everyone!

  3. frednotfaith2 · August 30

    Rick Jones’ concert blowup was pretty memorable. Reading it now reminds me a bit of what I’ve read of the inspiration for Rick Nelson’s classic, “Garden Party”, although I’m fairly sure Nelson didn’t through a temper-tantrum on stage. I think a character like Rick Jones in the real world would likely have let his hair grow out rather than retain the same style as he’d had when he first appeared in Hulk #1 over 13 years earlier, but the Comics Gods insisted that although his partner, the star of the mag, had changed his appearance, including his hair color and style, considerably since his first appearance in 1967, Rick Jones just couldn’t be allowed to change too much. Just like nearly all of Marvel’s teen superheroes introduced between 1961 to 1963 – Johnny Storm, Peter Parker and the X-Men – with the sole exception of Hank McCoy, didn’t change their basic appearance all that much even into the early 1980s. They all looked older by the late ’60s but not all that different in regard to hairstyles, remaining fairly conservative in length. Funny that Marv, who had a very militaristic crew cut as drawn by Gene Colan in 1967, developed a very different hairstyle by 1975, a process begun by Gil Kane in ’69, as best as I can tell, but getting ever progressively longer under Starlin, Milgrom and later artists, although never quite “hippy” length. Ka-Zar’s hair grew the most between his early guest-star appearances and his starring in his own series in 1970.
    Meanwhile, Marv learns he really “can’t go home again”. Oh, and prior to that, the resurrection of Una was pretty creepy! Interesting to see Carol Danvers appear so vulnerable in this period not too long before she was upgraded to a super-hero and started her own complicated journey as such. The Supreme Intelligence’s behavior is rather difficult to suss; he seems rather schizophrenic, perhaps apt for a creature supposedly made up of multiple competing intellects. Under Englehart & Milgrom, Captain Marvel wasn’t nearly as compelling as it had been under Starlin, but I still enjoyed it and the various journeys Marv & Rick took around the cosmos.

  4. Steve McBeezlebub · August 30

    I always blamed the ridiculous end to the Trial of A Watcher for less interest in this series but now I think it’s because Milgrom got more say in the plot. On my list of favored artists he’s right in the middle but when he has more input into the stories he’s a turn off.

    • Man of Bronze · August 30

      In 2001 Bob Harras was editor-in-chief at Marvel and had given his two weeks notice that he was moving on. Al Milgrom, in an issue of Universe X Special: Spidey, hid the message “HARRAS HA HA HE’S GONE, GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH HE WAS A NASTY S.O.B.” on the spines of books shown in a background panel.

      Once it was seen by the higher-ups at Marvel, Milgrom’s career there was effectively over. He couldn’t undo the damage that was done. Eventually he ended up at Archie Comics, but was let go over there, too.

      • frasersherman · August 30

        Milgrom made a very stupid move there.

        • Man of Bronze · August 30

          It is certainly the greatest regret of his professional career, if not his life altogether. I don’t gloat, but shared this as a cautionary tale. Some moments in our experience are far more pivotal – and consequential – than we could ever dream. 20/20 hindsight of often achieved with great pain and regret. To have foresight and sensitivity seems to be increasingly rare for many.

          • Man of Bronze · August 30

            20/20 hindsight *is* often achieved…

            • Spiritof64 · November 4

              A sad tale. I thought Milgrom was a good editor, but that was unprofessional.

  5. Colin Stuart · August 30

    Thank you Alan. I first read these two stories in Marvel UK’s weekly title The Mighty World of Marvel (or MWOM) in 1977 or 1978. The weekly schedule meant that Marvel UK had been burning through inventory at a fearsome rate and was in danger of running out of material to reprint.

    The solution was to break up each US issue into instalments of 5 or 6 pages, including a newly drawn splash page for each instalment that started mid-story. This didn’t help the pacing or coherence of the stories, and as a result they made little impact on me at the time.

    One thing that did make an impact on me, though, was the scene where Mar-Vell beats Una to death. Like Tom Brevoort, 13-year-old me found this scene troubling to say the least. I don’t know whether this was because it contravened the “boys don’t hit girls” iron rule of my childhood, or because as an adolescent I was becoming more aware of domestic violence; rereading it now, I suspect the latter.

    Although thankfully my immediate family hasn’t been affected by domestic violence, I’ve always had a very strong negative reaction to it. Close friends of mine are survivors, and in my working life I’ve supported victims and tried to help perpetrators to address and change their behaviour.

    Here, Mar-Vell responds to a slight on his masculinity with violence; he then blames his victim for provoking him, and for not being what he wants her to be, kills her, and lapses into a paroxysm of seeming remorse which is actually self-pity. A pattern that reflects the reality of all too many real-life events.

    And by the next issue, for all the impact it has on him, it might as well never have happened.

    This is one story that leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

    • frasersherman · August 30

      I get your point (and Tom Brevoort) but I can’t see it that way. Marv knows it’s not Una, it’s something using her body; that’s what he’s beating on.

  6. frasersherman · August 30

    As I’ve mentioned before, I never got into Captain Marvel, not even during the Starlin era. While I now appreciate Starlin’s work, the rest of the book (which I’ve been going through as part of my Silfer Age Reread) is “meh.” It’s not awful but it’s way below Englehart’s best, possibly because a lot of this is set-up, rebooting (the split) and the elaborate retcon. But I don’t remember Mar-Vell’s added powers from the fictitious Zo having stuck around.

    • Alan Stewart · August 30

      “But I don’t remember Mar-Vell’s added powers from the fictitious Zo having stuck around.”

      That’s a good point. At the end of CM #16, right after the S.I. gives him his new costume, Mar-Vell makes a point of saying that he still has his Zo-given powers. But in the next issue, he says that, after being trapped in the Negative Zone, he only has the powers the Nega-Bands give him.

      I don’t know if there was any further clarification on this before his next big upgrade in CM #29, which made it all pretty much moot, IIRC.

      • frasersherman · September 5

        I don’t recall him ever teleporting again but I could easily have missed something.

  7. Don Goodrum · August 31

    Some of you have a remarkable memory for what you thought and felt about these books fifty years ago, but I don’t. The only thing I remember about this run of Captain Marvel is that I didn’t read it, but don’t really remember why. I liked Cap quite a bit and remember coming back to the book somewhere down the road, but as for why I walked away in the first place, I’m not sure. Maybe it was because Starlin went with Warlock, and I suppose what I really was, was a Starlin fan when it came to those books and where Starlin went, I went. Plus, I always followed the art in most comics and while Milgrom wasn’t a bad penciller, he wasn’t Starlin. I guess I’ll never know for sure, but the point is I’m coming to this like a new book and all I can see are the problems.

    Once you get past the somewhat gnarly nature of that opening, I found the “break-up” of Marv and Rick a little unrealistic. I can understand them wanting to be completely separate from one another, but where was the appreciation of what their partnership had meant to each of them? Have you ever really known someone who “craved” lonliness? I don’t mind being alone, but I don’t crave it. Englehart/Milgrom do hint later that Rick and Marv miss each other more than maybe they’d earlier let on, but the initial scene was written as if they couldn’t stand one another, which was disrespectful of their legacy.

    Others have already commented on this, but the sight of Cap beating a woman–Una–to death, was unsettling. I know, I know, big green slime monster taking over her souless husk, but still, bad optics.

    I’ve spent a large chunk of my life on stage, not as a musican like Rick, but still, and I know what it’s like to get laughed (or booed) off a stage. Still was it bad enough to give up on his dreams and leave the Earth? I’m not sure. Also, as Tom Brevoort pointed out in his blog, how did Rick know Marv was in Florida and how did he get down there from NYC so darned fast?

    Ultimately, in the final installment of “Marv and Rick go to Hala,” I think the major reason I never liked stories featuring the Kree was because I thought the Supreme Intelligence was just badly designed. The Captain Marvel movie also did a bad job with the S.I. but it’s hard to be frightened of a big green octopus-thing in a tank. The Supreme’s sudden heel-turn into a villain was a bit much as well, though it was explained nicely. Too much happened too quickly in those last pages to really absorb it all and the story sufferend for it.

    As for that prologue at the end, it was all too vague to really interest me in what was to come, even though, fifty years later, I KNOW what was coming! Ah well, different strokes, I guess. Thanks, Alan!

    • frasersherman · August 31

      I don’t know — I can buy that being in telepathic touch, being trapped in the Negative Zone while your partner ran around free might make them feel happy for a separation.
      I like the Supreme Intelligence when he first manifests in FF but there he was this unknown factor. As the Kree became more fleshed out, he became less interesting. And “I make you great so I can fight you!” doesn’t entirely work for me, though it can easily be hand-waved away — as this story shows, the SI lies a lot.

    • Spiritof64 · November 4

      The first time the Supreme Intelligence appeared ( FF#64??) as imagined by Kirby ( inked by Sinnott) it was in a nightmare, and he/it looked VERY menacing. It seems that Kirby had lots of plans regarding the Kree, which he abandoned, but came back to it in a roundabout way with the Eternals (ie the Eternals and the Celestials taking the place of the Inhumans and the Kree).

      • frasersherman · November 5

        I enjoyed the implication in the story with the Kree Sentry that it might have been asleep so long there was no longer a Kree Empire left to defend — that made the Sentry rather tragic. Hardly surprising they settled the question Yes There Is — too much story potential in the Kree.

  8. patr100 · September 1

    I still have this issue somewhere. The cover art is a bit better than the interior. I was always fascinated with the Supreme Intelligence visually as a character – which is probably why I bought it – later it reminded me of the suspended “Guild Navigator” in Lynch’s Dune (1984) . There was something reassuringly familiar about also seeing Ronan on the cover , having seen him earlier in FF, but otherwise the plots etc meant little to me.

  9. Spiritof64 · November 4

    I really liked this comic ( CM#41) 50 years, and even today, feel it a really strong addition to the Captain Marvel cosmic legacy. A recon, but as you noted Alan, one that did not alter/discredit the efforts of previous talents. I though Milgrom’s art here on song, and especially liked the kung fu kick on the Sentry on the penultimate page.
    Years later I sought out CM#40, and found it creepy, for a lot of the reasons already given. It wasn’t in line at all with previous storylines. Not everything that Englehart did was golden, in his golden age! Englehart additionally seems either forgotten about CM’s cosmic awareness, or was purposefully moving away from it, to distinguish it from Warlock, or even his own Dr Strange.

  10. Spiritof64 · November 5

    A small note on this: The Supreme Intelligence cropped up in #35, helping Rick rescue CM from Annihilus, in the first non Starlin issue.
    SI says: ‘CM is exceeding important to my personal plans….I cannot allow his death.’
    In an era of ‘seats of your pants’ plotting, Englehart certainly made long term plans for his storylines.

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