Savage Sword of Conan #6 (June, 1975)

We’ve discussed the so-called “Filipino Invasion” of the American comic book industry during the 1970s in several previous posts.  As regular readers may recall, this development began with the arrival of artist Tony DeZuñiga at DC Comics around the middle of 1970, but really picked up steam in 1972 following a business trip to the Philippines taken by DeZuñiga, his editor Joe Orlando, and DC publisher Carmine Infantino.  That visit resulted in a deal by which DeZuñiga and his wife would act as a sort of broker between DC and his fellow Filipino illustrators, most of whom continued to live and work in the islands.  Within a number of months, DC’s mystery anthologies (along with related titles such as Weird War Tales and Weird Western Tales) were all but dominated by the art of such talents as DeZuñiga, Alfredo Alcala, Nestor Redondo, and a number of others.

Over the next couple of years, this “invasion” remained mostly a DC-centered phenomenon; the major exception to this rule was Ernie Chan, who began doing regular inking for Marvel Comics in 1972, most notably on Conan the Barbarian.  But the landscape began to shift somewhat mid-1974, when, over a period of several months, DeZuñiga decamped from DC to Marvel, Chan did the opposite, and Alcala began accepting assignments from Marvel as well as from their main competition.  A number of their fellow Filipinos followed the examples of DeZuñiga and Alcala, and soon the invasion had established itself at Marvel as strongly as it previously had at DC.  This was especially true of Marvel’s black-and-white comics magazine line, where the new arrivals seemed to quickly flourish in a way that paralleled their ascent to prominence in DC’s “weird” comics.

Perhaps there’s a better example of this phenomenon among Marvel’s 1975 B&W comics than Savage Sword of Conan #6, but I doubt it.  That’s because Filipino illustrators, after having made significant contributions to each of the last four issues of the magazine, essentially took over the whole show with SSoC #6, with two of their number providing the full art for both of the Conan stories presented therein.  One of those two, Alex Niño, also produced the issue’s painted cover (albeit in collaboration with another artist, Frank Magsino, who doesn’t appear to have done any other American comics work).

We’ll be taking a look at more of Niño’s art even before we get to the story he drew, which takes up the back half of the issue.  First, however, let’s turn to the inside front cover, which features a frontispiece by American artist Don Newton:

Along with a later spot illustration provided by Newton’s fellow American Mike Vosburg — and setting aside house ads and letters pages — this is the only non-Filipino art we’ll see in this issue.

We move on now to our first story — an original tale by Roy Thomas (who of course wrote as well as edited virtually every Conan comic-book script during this era), with art by Celso “Sonny” Trinidad.  Trinidad had first come to the American market in 1972, with years of professional experience in the Philippines already behind him; like many of his peers, his earliest U.S. assignment (a short story for Weird Western Tales #14) had come from DC Comics.  But, for whatever reason, he’d only managed to land a few more gigs at that company before evidently deciding to jump over to the competition, for whom his first two stories appeared in a couple of black-and-white magazines both published in September, 1974 (Dracula Lives #9 and Haunt of Horror #4).

Thomas and Trinidad start things off here with a symbolic full-page splash panel — a choice that’s probably been made due to the fact that, after this pinup-like shot, we won’t see the star of our story again until page 12 — not quite halfway through this yarn’s 25-page length, but pretty close.  As we’re about to see, the focus of the earliest scenes in “The Sleeper Beneath the Sands” isn’t on Conan at all; at least, not directly…

OK, at this point, you may be wondering if you’ve come in late.  Who the hell is Olgerd Vladislav, and when did Conan break his wrist?  And what’s all this about a man biting “a vulture’s neck clean thru?”  That sounds like something worth seeing.

And indeed it had been, two months earlier, in the pages of Savage Sword of Conan #5, where Thomas, John Buscema, and a collective of artists called “the Tribe” had offered readers an adaptation of one of pulp author Robert E. Howard’s best-known Conan stories, “A Witch Shall Be Born” — a story to which our present tale serves as a direct sequel.

Cover to Savage Sword of Conan #5 (Apr., 1975). Art by John Buscema and Boris Vallejo.

This puts us at something of a disadvantage in our discussion today, seeing as how your humble blogger opted not to post about SSoC #5 when it was eligible for such back in February.  That wasn’t because I didn’t like the book, you understand; it’s just that there were other comics turning fifty that month that I liked more.  To get into specifics just a bit: coming in at 55 pages, Marvel’s version of “Witch” is really, really long — and the best thing about it, in my opinion — not to mention the main reason for its source material’s high reputation — is a single scene (yes, the very one depicted on the cover shown at right) that takes up only nine of those pages.

But, in a sense, Crom and Mitra may be said to have smiled upon us — because it’s that very scene (along with a later, briefer follow-up) to which “The Sleeper Beneath the Sands” calls back.  Most of the rest of “A Witch Shall Be Born” is really incidental to Thomas and Trinidad’s sequel, and what you do need to know about it can be easily summarized.  And so I’m going to take the liberty of sharing several pages of Marvel’s “Witch” with you, in the interest of your being able to more fully appreciate “Sleeper”.  (And, OK, because that vulture’s-neck-biting moment really shouldn’t be missed.)  In doing so, we won’t even be straying too far from our theme of highlighting Filipino artists, since the group of inkers we mentioned before — the Tribe — consisted of none other than Tony DeZuñiga and several of the artists who worked with him in his studio (per the Grand Comics Database, assisting DeZuñiga on this particular occasion were Steve Gan, Rudy Mesina, and Freddie Fernandez).

At the beginning of “A Witch Shall Be Born”, Conan is enjoying a pretty good regular gig as the captain of the guard of Queen Tamaris of Khauran.  Unfortunately, things go south for both our hero and his royal employer when the latter’s evil twin sister, a sorceress named Salome, suddenly shows up to imprison her sister and take her place.  Not taken in by the ruse, Conan resists violently, but is taken captive and crucified outside the city walls by Salome’s ally, a mercenary commander named Constantius…

After some more taunting, Constantius and his men withdraw, leaving Conan to die alone.  Naturally, the Cimmerian adventurer strives mightily against the iron spikes holding him to the cross, but to no avail.  It looks like all that’ll keep him dying slowly in agony from exposure are the tender mercies of the steadily circling, and ever less wary, vultures…

Next, Olgerd Vladislav’s subordinate, Djebal, proceeds to wrench the spikes free from Conan’s hands…

In the months to follow, the realm of Khauran suffers ever more greatly under the tyranny of the false Tamaris, Salome, and her consort, Constantius; meanwhile, Conan rises in the ranks of Olgerd’s Zuagirs, ultimately becoming the outlaw leader’s right-hand man.  One night, the two men sit together discussing their recent success in raiding, and the concurrent growth in their band’s numbers, all of which Olgerd credits entirely to his own wit.  “We have 11,000 men now,” he gloats.  “In another year we may have three times that number!”

Olgerd tries to dismiss Conan’s plan to attack the walled city of Khauran as folly, saying that their desert raiders wouldn’t stand a chance against Constantius’ archers and trained swordsmen.  Conan retorts that he could do it if he had “3000 desperate Hyborian horsemen fighting in a single wedge” — and, as it happens, he does have them.  He announces to Olgerd that there are presently three thousand Khaurian warriors camped at a nearby oasis, awaiting Conan’s orders.  They’ve fled the depredations of “Taramis” and her consort, and have sworn to follow Conan, who has in turn promised to help them take back their city.

All this — without my knowledge?” blusters Olgerd.

“It was I they wished to follow — not you,” Conan replies.  “You lied when you said I had nothing to do with bringing in the new recruits. I had everything to do with it.”

And that’s really all you need to know about “A Witch Shall Be Born” to understand why Olgerd Vladislav is in such a bad way in the opening pages of “The Sleeper Beneath the Sands”… though, in the interest of narrative closure, please allow me to assure you that Conan is indeed ultimately successful in deposing Salome and returning Tamaris to her rightful throne.  Naturally, the story ends with Constantius crucified in the desert in the same way Conan had been before, with Conan and his Zuagirs (with whom he’s opted to remain, rather than return to the queen’s service) blithely riding away, leaving the mercenary leader alone with the circling vultures.

And speaking of vultures, that gives us an excellent segue back into our present tale, where, you’ll remember, we left Olgerd about to become dinner for several members of that species… while Roy Thomas’ observant, but not-quite-omniscient narrator speculated about what thoughts might be going through Olgerd’s fevered mind in these last moments before his seemingly inevitable death…

At this point, we’ll note how Sonny Trinidad’s rendering style is similar enough to that of Tony DeZuñiga‘s Tribe that this story, at least in visual terms, comes off not just as a natural sequel to “A Witch Shall Be Born”, but virtually a continuation of it.  That said, Trinidad’s approach to layout and pacing is distinct enough from John Buscema’s that only the most casual reader could mistake one artist for the other.

For the next three days and nights, a delirious Olgerd Vladislav is carried across the desert in the care of his rescuers…

Before acceding to Ahmed Mullah’s request that he rest, “Yffan” asks if there’s been any recent news of Conan’s Zuagirs, and is told that, according to reliable rumor, Conan will soon be making a secret rendezvous with Djebal — who used to work for Olgerd, you’ll remember, and now serves as lieutenant to his old boss’ usurper.  Not only that, but the spot where the two raiders plan to meet is none other than the very temple for which Ahmed, Dhira, and company are bound.  Djebal has been in the city of Vezek of late, you see, spying on the “fat caravans” there, and he and Conan have chosen the temple for their meet-up purely because of its nasty reputation, which generally keeps most people away.  Ahmad’s not bothered by the prospect of Conan’s presence while his people are attempting to propitiate their deity, since “it’s said he [Conan] mocks no god, especially those he’s never heard of.”  And won’t Conan be surprised to find his trusted comrade Yffan already waiting there for him when he arrives?  Indeed he will, Olgerd Vladislav agrees.

The following day, the trek across the desert continues, until at long last the half-fallen ruins of the temple are sighted.  As an unbeliever, Olgerd is barred from helping with the preparations for the coming religious ceremony; even so, his new companions readily explain that in two days time, they’ll be reciting “certain words of power” that were last spoken on this spot fifty years prior; when the fearsome “Sleeper” hears them, he’ll return to his quiescent, dreaming state, and all will be well for another half-century.  It’s doubtful that Olgerd gives credence to any of this; still, he has his plans for revenge to keep him occupied…

Though stunned, Djebal draws his own blade in time to counter Olgerd’s next blow.  Then, when Olgerd calls him a traitor, Djebal denies the charge, claiming that he merely served the man who’d lawfully made himself chief of the Zuagirs.  Enraged, Olgerd slashes through Djebal’s defenses, wounding him…

Dhira’s fellow believers have little choice to do what she says, and stand down… and then to follow the commands of Olgerd, who bids them drag the corpses out of sight, somewhere that the vultures won’t bother them.  “Conan must see nothing amiss when he comes riding across the dunes — to his death!

Roy Thomas is clearly referring here to the Biblical story of Samson — but although that tale wouldn’t be told until nine to ten thousand years after the imaginary Hyborian Age in which Conan is supposed to have lived, it’s not at all hard to imagine similar legends being told in a much, much earlier era than that of the ancient Israelites.

Olgerd now returns his attention to Conan, whom he anticipates carving into itty-bitty pieces over an extended period of time.  Coldly reckoning that his chances of surviving the day are just about nil, our hero quickly decides his most optimal choice is to goad his enemy into giving him a quick death — and so, he spits in Olgerd’s face.  But before the latter man can act on his rage, he — along with everyone else present — is distracted by the sound of approaching hoofbeats….

Perhaps this should go without saying, but the gratuitous sexism of the moment captured above has aged rather poorly.

In a comprehensive survey of the “Filipino Invasion” artists produced for Comic Book Artist (Vol. 2) #4 (Sep., 2004), David A. Roach described Sonny Trinidad as having “a frenetic, almost hysterical style”; while he didn’t necessarily have the above full-page splash in mind when he made that statement, he certainly could have.

Conan notes that the monstrous Sleeper has wings, although it doesn’t (and probably can’t) take flight.  Though, of course, it hardly needs wings to bring down what remains of the ruined temple, as its flailing tentacles handle that job just fine.

One could respond to Conan’s rhetorical question in that last panel with, “Well, dude, he did save your life by getting you off that cross, even if he was kind of a dick about it.”  And one would be technically correct.  Still, that line has always landed for me as I’m sure Roy Thomas meant it to — as a succinct (and mordantly funny) reminder that while our protagonist is far from being an amoral brute, he feels no obligation to always take the high road in dealing with his enemies.

I can remember being genuinely surprised by Dhira’s fate when I first read this story fifty years ago, even now, it’s hard to think of another Conan adventure in which he’s ultimately unable to rescue “the girl” (who, in this instance, may easily be counted the true hero of the tale).  This factor, along with the darkly humorous bit concerning Conan’s decision not to show mercy to Olgerd, has helped this story remain distinct in my memory among the many, many Conan comic-book stories I’ve read; and contributes to making it a worthy sequel to “A Witch Shall Be Born”, even if it can’t boast a specific moment anywhere near as indelible as its predecessor’s scenes of Conan on the cross.*

Coming in between SSoC #6’s two comics stories are a couple of prose nonfiction features, each of which includes spot illustrations.  The first article, Robert L. Yaple’s “Gods of the Hyborian Age, Part One: The Homes of the Gods”, is graced by the following lovely piece by Alex Niño:

Dated 1971, Niño’s illustration may have been suggested by a particular Conan story — though your humble blogger has no idea which one.  That’s not the case with the second illo included with the article (see right), from which Mike Vosburg has clearly taken partial inspiration from Robert E. Howard’s “Rogues in the House” (which, as you may recall, was adapted by Roy Thomas and Barry Windsor-Smith in Conan the Barbarian #11 [Nov., 1971]).  I say “partial”, because while both Howard’s original text and Marvel’s comics adaptation of “Rogues” both prominently feature an ape in a cape, neither includes a scantily glad young woman chained to a pillar; that said, I doubt Marvel got many letters of complaint in regards to Vosburg’s liberties.

The second and final text piece is the latest installment of Lin Carter’s history of sword-and-sorcery fiction, this one called “Can Any Good Thing Come Out of Cimmeria?”.  It contains only one illustration — but that one is another beauty by Niño:

We come now to the second and last story of the issue, Roy Thomas and Alex Niño’s 30-page adaptation of “People of the Dark” — a story written by Robert E, Howard that was first published in 1932, and, in its original form, wasn’t actually about Conan… or,at least, not about “our” Conan.  We’ll explain that cryptic remark a little further on, but in the meantime, be advised that you can check out the entire text of Howard’s tale online for free, here.

As we previously provided an overview of Alex Nino’s early career in our House of Secrets #109 post of about a year ago, we’ll skip those particular details here, picking up with his advent at Marvel Comics in early 1975.  The artist’s first work for the House of Ideas had actually appeared just a couple of months before the release of Savage Sword of Conan #6, in the form of two stories for a couple of Marvel’s other black-and-white magazines: “Man-Gods from Beyond the Stars”, a 37-page riff on Erich von Däniken written by Roy Thomas and Doug Moench, which ran in Marvel Preview #1; and a 17-page adaptation of Harlan Ellison’s classic short story “‘Repent, Harlequin!’ Said the Ticktockman” (scripted by Thomas), which graced Unknown Worlds of Science Fiction #3.

Unlike Sonny Trinidad (or, for that matter, Tony DeZuñiga, whose break with DC Comics seems to have been less than amicable), Niño would continue to contribute to DC’s color anthology titles for the next several years, even as he picked up more and more work from Marvel; in this, he followed the example of Alfredo Alcala, who like Niño would manage to maintain good working relationships with both major American publishers.

At this point, if you’re unfamiliar with both Howard’s original “People” and Marvel’s adaptation, you’re probably wondering — how the heck is this ever going to become a Conan story?  But just hang on a few more pages, and we’ll get there, I promise.

While Niño’s talent for crafting innovative page layouts is evident throughout this story, the page above is an especially striking example, featuring a particularly bold use of white space.

(If you haven’t already clicked on the image above to embiggen it, please do so, OK?  Trust me, you really want to take in Niño’s magnificent double-page spread at as large a scale as possible.)

In Robert E. Howard’s original short story, the past life recalled by the modern narrator O’Brien is that of “Conan of the reavers” — a self-described “black-haired Gael”, who has joined his fellow Irishmen in a raid on a British coastal village in the days before the Romans came to that part of the world.  Given that Howard is known to have written this story in 1931, and that he wouldn’t come up with his first story of Conan of Cimmeria until some time in the next year — not to mention that the author’s version of “Cimmeria” itself seems to have been largely inspired by ancient Britain and Ireland — it’s hard not to see the earlier story’s Conan as a precursor (if not an outright prototype) of his more famous namesake.  (The Conan of “People of the Dark” even swears by the god Crom.)

There’s little room for doubt (either in Howard’s original text or in Thomas’ script) that young Conan is intent on sexual violence here.  I’ve gone on the record in a previous post as stating that I don’t believe that the mature Conan of Cimmeria, either as created by Howard or in Marvel’s version, is the sort of man who’d commit rape; but at age 15, in the aftermath of his first sack?  I can accept it as part of his characterization in this context (though it’s just as morally repellent as if he were all grown up, obviously).

Conan/O’Brien recalls how he might have drawn his sword and cut down Tamera’s lover, Gaeric, but instead chose to pick up a piece of wood and merely club him to the ground, where he lay stunned…

Having returned now to the present — Conan’s present, anyway — O’Brien’s narration describes how the young barbarian entered the completely dark corridor, where he quickly encountered some creature that made a hissing noise, right before it slashed at his thigh with a blade.  Conan struck back with his own sword, and whatever had attacked him fell dead at his feet…

The two desperate warriors fight side-by-side against a seemingly endless horde until, to their own surprise, their enemies turn and flee into a side-tunnel.  “We’ve frightened them off!” declares Gaeric, and Tamera hopefully exclaims, “Then — we’re safe!  Safe!

Setting aside the specific historical and geographical references, Thomas and Niño’s adaptation of “People” follows Howard’s prose story quite closely for the most part.  In depicting the two young lovers’ final fate, however, our adapters have diverged significantly from their source material; in the original tale, Tamera and Vertorix (as the British warrior is called) join hands and leap together to their deaths once they realize they can’t escape their pursuers, while Conan merely watches, unable to help.  Whoever made the call in adapting the scene for the comics version (most probably Thomas, though it’s hard to be completely certain on that point) may have felt that Conan played too passive a role in Howard’s original.  And so, he takes direct action here; though, by doing so, he may be indirectly responsible for Tamera’s subsequent fall… which of course increases his sense of responsibility for what follows after (which may also have been the adapters’ intent).

Niño makes an interesting stylistic choice with this first page back in the “modern day” of Jim O’Brien, choosing to render in a more impressionistic manner which includes a heavy use of gray wash tones; at least for this reader, this has the effect of making the protagonist’s return to the waking world seem itself more dreamlike and unreal than his “experience” of being Conan.

It is, however, an approach which the artist leaves behind as we come to the story’s final, climactic pages…

While our comics storytellers’ decision to alter the manner of Tamera and her lover’s deaths was certainly significant, the change they’ve made to Howard’s original ending is much more so.  Here are the final two paragraphs of the prose “People of the Dark”:

Now the reptilian thing writhed toward the humans trapped on the ledge. Brent had thrust Eleanor behind him and stood, face ashy, to guard her as best he could. And I gave thanks silently that I, John O’Brien, could pay the debt I, Conan the reaver, owed these lovers since long ago.

 

The monster reared up and Brent, with cold courage, sprang to meet it with his naked hands. Taking quick aim, I fired once. The shot echoed like the crack of doom between the towering cliffs, and the Horror, with a hideously human scream, staggered wildly, swayed and pitched headlong, knotting and writhing like a wounded python, to tumble from the sloping ledge and fall plummetlike to the rocks far below.

In other words, it’s a happy ending, more or less (no, the “hero” doesn’t get the girl, but at least he doesn’t, y’know, die).

Your humble blogger had never read this story in its original form prior to beginning the research for this post (or doesn’t remember having ever done so, at any rate) — and I have to confess, I’m not sure yet what I think about how Marvel’s adaptation has changed the thing.  At present, I think I like the comics version’s finale better, despite it being more downbeat (or maybe because it’s more downbeat).  Perhaps that’s just because I’ve lived with the comics version in my mind for half a century, and am so more comfortable with it; maybe I’ll come to prefer Howard’s more optimistic ending, eventually.  I suppose only time will tell.

But, regardless of all that, I have little doubt that this will remain one of my all-time favorite Conan comics stories.  In addition to being one of the most unusually structured tales ever told of the Cimmerian adventurer, the idiosyncratic, extravagant artwork of Alex Niño makes it one of the most visually unique, as well.  With all due respect to Sonny Trinidad (and Roy Thomas), it’s Niño’s achievement that ultimately makes Savage Sword of Conan #6 one for the ages.

 

*As things turned out, “The Sleeper Beneath the Sands” wouldn’t be the last sequel to “A Witch Shall Be Born” to appear in the pages of Savage Sword of Conan — or even the last time the magazine’s readers would encounter Olgerd Vladislav.

Two decades before Thomas and Trinidad gave us “Sleeper”, prose writer L. Sprague de Camp had refashioned a never-published historical adventure story by Robert E. Howard into a Conan vehicle, “The Flame Knife”; among the many changes made by De Camp to Howard’s original text were the conversion of one of its main characters to Conan’s old enemy, Olgerd.  Originally published in the 1955 Gnome Press hardcover volume Tales of Conan, the story reached a wider audience through the release in 1968 of Conan the Wanderer, part of Lancer Books’ paperback series featuring the “complete” adventures of the barbarian hero.

From Savage Sword of Conan #31 (Jul., 1978).  Text by Roy Thomas, art by John Buscema and Tony DeZuñiga.

Roy Thomas would definitely have been aware of “The Flame Knife”, and Olgerd’s role in it.  But, given that Marvel didn’t have the rights to adapt De Camp’s contributions to the corpus of Conan stories as of 1975, there was little reason for Thomas not to go ahead with his own version of what had happened to the deposed leader of the Zuagirs following “A Witch Shall Be Born”.  A couple of years later, when the rights issues had at last been worked out, Marvel began presenting adaptations of the post-Howard Conan stories in Savage Sword… and soon enough, a version of “The Flame Knife” appeared in issues #31 (Jul., 1978) and #32 ( Aug., 1978) of the magazine.

In adapting “The Flame Knife”, Thomas took De Camp’s Olgerd pretty much as he found him; although he dropped in a couple of references to the events of “The Sleeper Beneath the Sands”, no explanation for how he’d escaped his apparent doom in SSoC #6 was offered prior to Olgerd’s ultimately receiving his final, true death-blow (a sword-thrust to the throat delivered by Conan).  Of course, Roy Thomas being Roy Thomas, fans could expect that loose end would eventually be tied up sometime, somewhere — and indeed it was, in a Conan-less “Tale of the Hyborian Age” that ran over two years later in Savage Sword of Conan #58 (Nov., 1980).  There, Thomas and co-writer Fred Blosser revealed that the Sleeper had conveniently dropped the still-living Olgerd in a previously-unseen underground cavern, from which the villain had emerged after everybody else, including Conan, had departed the temple ruins.  Unlikely?  Maybe… though I figure it makes at least as much sense as the rather more famous escape from a desert-dwelling monster accomplished by one Boba Fett.

33 comments

  1. Gabriel Baradi · April 12

    Thank you for shining a light on Filipino artists who worked on American comics in the 70s. I never knew there were many Filipinos who worked on Conan, one of my favorite literary and comic characters. I now want to research more about them and how they contributed to Howard’s vision of our favorite Cimmerian.

  2. Man of Bronze · April 12

    Love the Filipino artists! Such finely honed talent and dedication is a hallmark of so many from their nation.

    As for the Mike Vosburg illustration, it appears he flipped this Frazetta pen-and-ink female (from one of the Burroughs John Carter books) horizontally and moved her limbs a bit:

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  3. jbacardi · April 12

    Well done overview, as always, and boy am I going to seem negative, but here goes.

    I never really worked up much interest in Marvel’s black and white magazines; although I loved Warren publications, having been lucky enough to buy (or have bought for me) several single-digit issues of both Creepy and Eerie. I had my favorite artists (Toth, Grandenetti, Ditko, Crandall, Williamson, to name a few) but when they started using more and more of the Filipinos, my attention waned.

    It should be noted at this stage that since some are more interested in the story than the art and vice versa, I was always more interested in the art, especially since I myself was an aspiring comics artist (obviously, this dream died on the vine), and for me Marvel’s b&w books just never looked good to me at all. Most of them look like they tossed a stack of John Buscema’s Conan comics and said “Here, do it like this”. While I liked JB’s art back in the Avengers and Silver Surfer days, as the 60s became the 70s, and especially on Conan, his work lost what I liked before. Hard to explain, actually, but when Buscema took over from Barry Smith it didn’t take me long to bail. It was a Robbins-replacing-Kaluta type thing for me (although I came to love the former’s art) and it would be a long time before I got another Conan comic or magazine. Roy Thomas was another 60s creator that seemed to spoil once the 70s rolled around. His writing, especially his dialogue, was often teeth-grindingly annoying in how he strove to adapt Lee’s tone; his Avengers stint, and especially that short run on X-Men he did with Neal Adams, it was there but was more restrained. The longer time went on, though, it got to the point where I just couldn’t read it, my teeth were bad enough as it was, and since he did eleventy thousand Conan scripts, each of them trying to capture Howard’s purple prose as he did Lee’s so long ago, they were just heavy handed and cringeworthy more often as not.

    To me.

    When it comes to Alex Nino, well, I am unfairly biased. As you may or may not know, I was/am obsessed (although in all fairness not so much now) with that loved by me but not many others 80s series Thriller by Robert L. Fleming and Trevor Von Eeden. Out of all the artists they could have chosen to replace TVE when he left that series, Nino shouldn’t have even been in the conversation. His style was all wrong and while I can see he put in some effort, those last four issues of that series were difficult to read because of it. For what it’s worth, the scripts for those issues, done by another Warren stalwart Bill DuBay, were pretty bad too. So I’ll always hold Thriller against him, even though I know he was doing it for the paycheck and you can’t blame a guy for that. Now in the interest of fairness, I will say that a lot of the Warren work I saw that he did was very well done. I liked his work on the Captain Fear backup a lot, too. The story here, he does a great job but his experimentation with layout and form made what seems like a 300 page story seem even longer. I was scrolling through that and I thought it was never going to end.

    All this said, and speaking of things that never seem to end, I will say that the Conan story was pretty involving despite the art which wouldn’t have grabbed me at 15 and fails to do so now.

    OK, I’m done now! On to the next blast from the past!

    • Alan Stewart · April 12

      For what it’s worth, I too was a big fan of the Fleming/Von Eeden “Thriller”. I dropped the book after #7, since it didn’t seem to me there was any point in continuing with someone else’s take on what was so clearly a personal project on the part of the original creators, no matter how much I liked Niño’s art.

      • slangwordscott · April 12

        I was thinking about Thriller as well. I agree Nino was talented, but a poor fit for that series.

        I hope to read your thoughts about Thriller in seven or eight years, Alan.

      • jbacardi · April 12

        I bought it till the bitter end, even had a letter printed in #12. I tend to include #8, simply because DuBay didn’t go off-model too badly and TVE still did the art.

        It was long before i made your acquaintance, but I created a website about Thriller; did character profiles and issue by issue synopses. Connected and made friends with Bob Fleming and Von Eeden; had several long phone conversations with both men about the series. I was so stoked and was able to use a lot of what they told me on the site. Then, through stupidity on my part, I lost the original working files so I couldn’t update anything. I kept planning to redo it, even tried doing it as a blog, but as time has gone by I just haven’t had the energy or enthusiasm to complete it. I did help Michel Fiffe connect with them so he could write his well-regarded Comics Journal interview with TVE. Here’s the url for the blog; mostly cleaned up and reposted original website entries. https://thrillerthecomic.wordpress.com/

        Come for the Conan story, stay for a Thriller discussion! 🙂

    • frasersherman · April 13

      Comparing Buscema to Robbins? Harsh, man. Each to his own, obviously, but I loved Buscema’s Conan.
      Also a big fan of Thriller under Fleming and von Eeden. Don’t know why Fleming left but the editors’ repeated comments in later letter columns that “You know, he really wasn’t very good” in response to criticism of the writing change makes me think it wasn’t amicable (still no excuse for being such dicks).

      • jbacardi · May 4

        I wasn’t comparing Buscema to Robbins style wise. I just meant the effect of going from an artist with one style to another that was completely different.

        There was one editor who Giordano handed the title off to; he was the biggest problem. For personal reasons, Von Eeden wasn’t as accessible as he was early on, and RLF wasn’t feeling comfortable anymore, so he bailed. It wasn’t an easy decision, but he didn’t think he could continue the way things were going. When TVE found out, he did one more issue and quit too.

  4. Don Goodrum · April 12

    This is definitely a book that gets better as it goes. I have no problems with the cover, but that inside cover illo by Don Newton is just awful and I can’t believe Marvel bought the thing, much less used it. From there, things begin moving uphill with Roy and Sonny Trinidad’s “Sleeper” story. As always, Thomas seems particularly in tune with Howard’s creation and does a fine job with the adaptation. Trinidad’s art, if not as creative and stylistic as many of his fellow Filipinos serves the story well and should be satisfying enough for an audience raised on John Buscema’s version of the character. The piece de resistance’, however, is the final story, “People of the Dark,” by Thomas and the amazing Alex Nino. Nino was always one of my favorite members of the Filipino group, and while I can admit that sometimes his style is too busy and gets in the way of following the story itself, I love it overall and find all the tangles worth unravelling. This story was a departure for Howard (at least, Howard as I knew him), but it works, even with Roy’s changes from the original text. Thanks, Alan!

  5. Steve McBeezlebub · April 12

    I’ve mentioned before my dislike for the Filipino artists’ style but I did like Sonny Trinidad. Not enough to pick up books that I wouldn’t have normally but did enjoy him the few times that he did work in a book I’d have bought anyways. I have never even to this day enjoyed black and white comics. No big reason though I also don’t enjoy black and white movies or TV that much either.

    I checked and bought thirty Marvel comics in April and sixteen from DC.

  6. Really great artwork in both these stories.

    So, Jim O’Brien was Conan in a past life. That would make him… Conan O’Brien! After the events of “People of the Dark” did he go on to have a successful career hosting late night television?

    • frednotfaith2 · April 12

      I thought about that myself! The Conan O’Brien of our world turned 12 on April 18 fifty years ago; he’s just eight days younger than my brother Terry, who turned 62 on April 10 (so now he and I are both 62 until June 14, when I turn 63). Ya think the young Conan O’Brien might’ve read this mag and seen his name in print?

  7. frednotfaith2 · April 12

    I hadn’t gotten any Marvel magazines in the ’70s (certainly beyond my budget in 1975!), but enjoyed reading your overviews on them Alan, as well as the excerpts provided. These are the first examples that left me with a sense that Conan’s strength and healing capacities, while not quite akin to those of Thor, Hulk or Wolverine and their like, are still nigh supernatural. I’m hardly a medical expert, but I’ expect having spikes driven through one’s hands and feet would cause some permanent harm as well as disfigurements that would not just totally heal with any amount of time. Except, of course, in fiction!
    As to the tales from SSoC #6 itself, Trinidad’s art hewed fairly close to Big John B’s style without appearing to ape it. Nino’s struck me as utterly unique and I loved it. Certainly not a typical Conan story!

  8. Chris Green · April 12

    Ah, this was my first issue of SSoC and what a great place to start. I’d first seen Nino’s work a few months previously on Man Gods, reprinted in the back of the British weekly Planet of the Apes and wasn’t sure whether I liked his style. It seemed too strangely different, but I kept returning to it and pondering over it.
    Then came SSoC 6 and it all fell into place for me. I realised I loved Nino’s work, and it’s a passion that persists to this day.

  9. mikebreen1960 · April 12

    Never saw this back in the day (and probably would have passed if I’d seen it, as there was no John Buscema), but I was never a fan of stories like ‘People of the Dark’. Like ‘The Frost Giant’s Daughter’, it’s pretty much undeniable that Conan would have committed rape here if the opportunity had arisen, and only circumstances (not any moral imperative) prevented it.

    The problem always seems to come down to REH’s very skewed or limited worldview. His lack of any real, direct interaction with women led him to create a fantasy setting where his protagonists were not ‘actual’ rapists, but women (especially the typically very attractive ones) never said no, and if they did, they didn’t mean it – all that was needed was the ‘fierce embrace of a clean-limbed barbarian’ and their resistance melted away. What would have happened if Conan had disposed of Gaeric and caught up with Tamera, and would any of us have felt comfortable reading it?

    That said, Howard’s writing skills and ability to evoke mood and passion were outstanding, and I loved much of what I read 50 years ago in the Conan comics, the b/w magazines and the paperbacks (I still have a complete set of those).

    I also fondly remember ‘Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their women…’

    On a different note, I would have been quite happy to see Jason Mamoa starring in adaptations of the original REH stories, not the rather poor film we got. Any takers?

    • Chris Green · April 12

      There has never been a decent movie adaptation of any REH fiction, has there? The biopic The Whole Wide World, on the other hand, is an absolute gem.

      • John Minehan · April 12

        Odd thought, how about Pigeons from Hell (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0723089/)? from June 1961 on the old Thriller/Boris Karloff Presents TV Show?

        • Chris Green · April 13

          I was referring to movies as I’m not familiar with TV adaptations of REH but I have seen the Pigeons From Hell Thriller episode and it’s a really solid piece of work.

    • frasersherman · April 13

      I’ll sort of stick up for Howard here: the idea no means yes and a Real Man can kiss away a woman’s no is common enough in American culture (even now, more so then) that it’s not his specific worldview that’s at fault. And indeed, he can write good women characters such as Red Sonya or Dark Agnes.
      I agree some stories indicate Conan’s willing to rape, as Roy Thomas once pointed out. Still better than actually showing it and showing the woman enjoying it as in an Andrew Offutt Conan novel and it’s later comic-book adaptation.

  10. John Minehan · April 12

    The only work of Alex Nino’s I really thought was good was the Behold the Man adaptation in Worlds Unknown.

    I always liked Rico Rival’s art when I say it, like A Candle for Saint Cloud in Man-Thing #16 (I liked Gerber’s script, too. Butterflies are Free meets Man-Thing [and Ted Sallis] but fun and meaningful as well. I also liked his re-drawing of a Flash story from 1946, Deal Me From the Bottom.

    Some of Howard’s Short tales were violent enough to have made good B-movies Two Against Tyre as a peplum, for example.

    In1960 or so, you could have had the rights for half nothing and it was probably better than what the writers were coming up for Maciste or Ercole to do.

  11. frasersherman · April 13

    People of the Dark reminds me a lot of Howard’s John Alison stories, in which a disabled man remembers his past incarnations as a might Aryan warrior (back before the word had the connotations the Nazis would give it). The degenerate subterranean race of evil crops up in a couple more stories too, most notably Worms of the Earth. He and HPL probably drew the idea from 19th century author Arthur Machen (who was probably taking an old folklore theory that fairy folklore was distorted memories or encounters with pre-Celtic races who’d hidden underground).

    • John Minehan · April 13

      I was thinking of that, too. One of them got adopted for Supernatural Thrillers #3 by Thomas/Kane/Chua (Chan).. I think there was a Jack London influence there.

      • Chris Green · April 14

        Yep – Jack London’s The Star Rover. Howard was a big fan of that novel.

  12. Brian Morrison · April 14

    The focus in this post has been on the Filipino artists but I was wondering, is this the first time that Don Newton and Mike Vosburg have been mentioned on the blog? My failing memory can’t remember them being mentioned in a previous post but I may be mistaken.

  13. Spirit of 64 · April 16

    Savage Sword was a top title at least until Thomas became disillusioned with Marvel, and this early issue is so memorable because of the amazing artistry of Alex Nino. I really liked what Nino did for Marvel in the 70’s, but strangely found his work for other publishers impenetrable. Kudos to Thomas for trying out different artist styles to go along with the standard Buscema one.
    The Sands feature is very overlooked, but is in itself a very solid piece of work. Well done Alan for giving due time and space to it.
    Alan, as ever your pieces are thoughtful, well-researched and entertaining. They are the highlight of my comics week!

  14. Pete Woodhouse · April 29

    Even by your standards, this is a monster (slight pun intended) blog post.
    Didn’t know Niño did so much Marvel work but then I have read so few of their B&W output, which has been limited to sundry Savage Sword…/Savage Tales issues. Maybe a few UK reprints like Starlord and material I wasn’t aware was part of the B&W magazine line (remember, 90pc of 1970s to early 90s Marvel stuff over here in the UK was presented in B&W plus greytones/duotone or similar; with just a few pages, chiefly the covers and centre pages, being in full colour).
    All the Filipino guys were distinguished in their own different ways and were without doubt a welcome addition to American comics, but Niño was a special talent. This tale ranks with the very best of Buscema, Alcala, Chan/Chua ‘et al’.
    “Niño makes an interesting stylistic choice with this first page back in the “modern day” of Jim O’Brien, choosing to render in a more impressionistic manner which includes a heavy use of gray wash tones…” agreed, a highlight of many highlights.
    **
    I’ve been privileged to see a piece of original Niño art at the London Cartoon Museum. I checked Niño’s website a year or two ago and as of then he was still doing commissions and still seemed very active. Fair play to him!

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