Thor #200 (June, 1972)

Cover to Journey into Mystery #1 (Jun., 1952). Art by Russ Heath.

Cover to Journey into Mystery #83 (Aug., 1962). Art by Jack Kirby and Joe Sinnott.

As milestone issues of long-running comic-book series go, Thor #200 is a fairly odd duck, for a number of reasons.  The first, of course, is that it’s not really the 200th issue of “Thor at all; rather, it’s the two-hundredth sequential release of a periodical publication that began its existence in 1952 as Journey into Mystery, an anthology title which had nary a thing to do with the Norse God of Thunder until the Marvel version of that mythological figure made his debut in its 83rd issue, ten years into the book’s run.

Since the title of the publication wasn’t changed from Journey into Mystery to Thor until issue #126, there hadn’t ever been a Thor #100.  (To the best of my knowledge, there hasn’t been one in later years, either, despite multiple relaunches of the series over the last few decades; and given Marvel’s current publishing model, which simultaneously incorporates both successive restarts and “legacy” numbering, there probably never will be.)  The actual 100th issue of “Thor” as a continuing feature had been #182 — and though that was a pretty good issue, featuring a battle with Dr. Doom as well as marking the beginning of John Buscema’s multi-year tenure as the series’ new regular artist, it hadn’t taken any special note of the occasion.  By the time issue #200 rolled around, however, Marvel had made the 100th issues of Fantastic Four and Amazing Spider-Man causes for celebration — and they were about to do the same with Avengers #100, which would arrive on stands one week after Thor #200 (it’ll also arrive on this blog one week from today, just in case you were wondering).  With 200 being such a nice round number, it would have been surprising if Marvel hadn’t chosen to commemorate Thor‘s issue numbering reaching it, as arbitrary as the milestone was in some ways.

But all of that represents just one way that Thor #200 was somewhat off-model as commemorative issues go.  Another was that the main story was a retread of a tale originally presented in 1966 (right around the time Journey into Mystery became Thor, coincidentally enough).  And yet another was that that story was a fill-in — or, at least, it read like one. 

Before we get into all that, however, let’s quickly review where we were at the end of last month’s Thor #199.  As regular readers of this blog will doubtless recall, All-Father Odin had sadly perished in battle with the Mangog in #198. but Thor had frozen time around his father’s form, hoping that this action would keep Hela, the Norse Goddess of Death, from claiming Odin’s soul when Asgard finally completed its journey across interdimensional space.  That journey, made necessary by Odin’s own earlier action of sending the Realm Eternal off into a remote corner of the cosmos to spare the rest of the universe from Mangog’s ravages, got interrupted by Hela nevertheless — though, to hear her tell it, she was showing up to save Odin’s soul from being scooped up by someone she deemed a lot worse — namely, Pluto, the Greco-Roman God of the Underworld.  When Pluto and his horde did in fact attack soon thereafter, Hela stood with Thor and his fellow Asgardians in Odin’s defense — though it seemed to be all for naught, as Pluto managed to repel Hela, and eventually drove Thor himself into unconsciousness.  Thor #199 ended with Pluto standing over the insensate Thunder God, about to end his life with one blow of his axe; and that’s just where things stand as #200 begins…

These three weird sisters had come into the storyline earlier, in Thor #197, where they identified themselves as the Norns (goddesses of destiny in Norse mythology) as well as the Fates (a name more frequently associated with a very similar trio in Greco-Roman mythology).  Interestingly, although the Norns are given names of their own in the original Norse sources — Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld, to be specific — scripter Gerry Conway opts here to use the names of the trio’s Greco-Roman analogues — i.e., Klothos (aka Clotho), Laecius (Lachesis), and Atropos (for the record, while the third Norn’s name doesn’t actually get used in this issue, it does turn up in #201).  But considering that Conway has already furnished the Greco-Roman Pluto with an army of Norse trolls, we probably shouldn’t be surprised to see him mashing up his mythologies in this instance as well.

Having thus established continuity with the preceding issue via this one-page prologue, our narrative now proceeds to what is, for all intents and purposes, the story’s true first page:

Prior to turning the job over to Gerry Conway with issue #193, Marvel’s editor-in-chief Stan Lee had scripted the “Thor” feature for most of its nearly-ten-year existence; so it’s hardly surprising that he would want to be involved in writing this “Special 200th issue”.  And Ragnarok, the Twilight of the Gods, is unquestionably a Big Subject, whose gravitas seems appropriate to the occasion (even if a bit of a downer).  But the way Lee’s contribution is incorporated here, shoehorned as it is into Conway’s ongoing “Twilight Well” storyline, is decidedly awkward.  As I indicated earlier, the bulk of Thor #200 ends up feeling rather like a fill-in issue, though that’s almost certainly not what actually happened.  Did Lee simply go off and do his “Ragnarok” story with artist John Buscema all on his own, and then leave it to Conway to work it into his narrative however he could manage?  Or could it have been produced earlier as a stand-alone — intended for a Thor Annual, maybe? — and got pressed into “milestone issue celebration” service after the fact?

Questioned on this subject several years ago for an article in Back Issue #69 (Dec., 2013), Conway himself had to admit he could no longer recollect the specific circumstances:

Really don’t remember. As far as I can recall, regarding Thor #200 and Stan’s involvement, it probably had something to do with an unpublished Thor story Stan had scripted, rather than original work by Stan specifically for that issue—but I could be wrong.

At this late date, that’s as probably as much of an explanation as we’re going to get.

When your humble blogger first read this story in 1972 at the age of 14, I had no idea that the Marvel version of the myth of Ragnarök had been related once before.  But longtime Marvelites would have recognized that not only was the myth itself an already told tale, but that even this framing device involving the prophetess Volla* (which, in the context of Thor #200 as published, is actually a frame within a frame) was a road traveled once before, back in Thor #127-129:

Opening splash page to the “Tales of Asgard” backup feature in Thor #127 (Apr., 1966).

 

Panel from Journey into Mystery #117 (Jun., 1965).

Panel from Thor #127 (Apr., 1966).

The Ragnarok storyline in “Tales of Asgard” had actually begun sometime earlier — all the way back in Journey into Mystery #117 (Jun., 1965) in fact.  In “The Sword in the Scabbard!”, Odin had revealed to sons Thor and Loki that the Odinsword had a crack in it, signaling the approaching end of the universe.  He’d then charged the duo with taking a ship full of Asgard’s finest warriors out into the cosmos to find and destroy this unknown menace.  The saga that followed was perhaps the high point of the entire “Tales of Asgard” series (among other things, it featured the introduction of the characters Fandral, Hogun, and Volstagg, though not yet styled as the “Warriors Three”); but the quest was brought to an abrupt end in Thor #126, when Odin summoned the “hardy band of argonauts” back to the Golden Realm.  It seems that the All-Father had known all along that the secret to the coming cataclysm could be discovered by simply asking Volla the prophetess, but due to his concerns over how Asgard’s finest had grown restive of late after a protracted period of peace, he’d decided to send Thor and company on an ultimately pointless quest, evidently just to give them something to do.  Oh, well, it was a fun ride while it lasted.

Obviously, there’s no quest leading up to the summons to which the Thunder God and his companions are responding in Thor #200 — though, in the long run, the end result is the same, as Volla calls upon the vapors of time to rise from her cauldron and reveal the future…

It should be noted that although Stan Lee’s script for Thor #200 follows the same basic outline as the ones he wrote for the Ragnarok episodes of “Tales of Asgard”, his two versions of the story aren’t identical.  That said, the prose does synch up pretty closely on occasion, as a comparison of the next to last panel shown above with the one from Thor #127 shown below will demonstrate:

Also worth noting here: the events leading up to Ragnarok, such as the Fimbulwinter and the conflict of brother against brother, which in the Marvel version(s) are only shown affecting Asgard, are in the original Norse sources characterized as happening everywhere — in Midgard as well as in Asgard.  The mythic Ragnarök, then, is a universal catalclysm, not just a disaster for the gods.

Thor immediately leaps to Volla’s aid, and seizes Loki — but before things can get too out of hand, Odin commands them both to stand down.  Both acquiesce — Thor gracefully (“I beg forgiveness, Father.”), Loki rather less so (“Thou art father!  I am son. ‘Tis enow.“).

As already noted, this version of the Ragnarok story follows the same basic outline as the earlier, “Tales of Asgard” version.  Among other things, that means that if Stan Lee and Jack Kirby included a particular element from the original Norse sources in their telling, then Lee and John Buscema do as well; conversely, if Lee and Kirby ignored something, Lee and Buscema do likewise.  Thus, in neither version will we find such memorable bits from the Völuspá as Loki’s arrival for the final battle at the helm of a ship made of dead men’s fingernails and toenails, or Odin meeting his death when he’s devoured by the great wolf Fenrir.  This makes for what feels rather like a double set of missed opportunities.

On the other hand, what John Buscema (in collaboration with inker John Verpoorten) is able to portray, working within the confines of what Lee and Kirby had established six years before, gets visualized in pretty spectacular fashion…

One of the major differences between Thor #200’s Ragnarok and its predecessor is the way in which the story is told, both verbally and visually.  In Thor #127-128, Lee largely eschews captions, while Kirby’s art presents us with a succession of largely static (if still highly dramatic) tableaux.  The overall effect is that of a heavily illustrated storybook at least as much as of a superhero comic, as seen in Thor #127’s version of the battle between Thor and Loki:

Conversely, Lee and Buscema’s version of the same scene allows the narrative to be carried largely by the dialogue, while the art emphasizes the flow of action from panel to panel:

It’s probably just a fortuitous coincidence, but the visual contrast between the two versions of our story is definitely aided by the replacement on inks this issue of Vince Colletta (who’d embellished the five Thors leading up to #200) by John Verpoorten, whose bolder, more vigorous lines are better suited to the more action-oriented approach to Ragnarok taken here than would be Colletta’s fine-grained style (though the latter had worked very well for Kirby’s “storybook” take back in 1966).

As Thor lies stunned, his noble companions leap into the fray.  But even as their blades shatter harmlessly against the Midgard Serpent‘s hide, the monster’s attention is drawn away by an explosive attack from another quarter…

This probably goes without saying, but you won’t find any super sci-fi cannons in the Poetic Edda, or any of the other traditional Norse texts that tell of Ragnarök.  No, this sort of thing is all Marvel — or perhaps I should say, all Jack Kirby.

Here’s another striking example of divergence between the Lee-Buscema and Lee-Kirby versions of Ragnarok — as well as of how both significantly modify the original Norse myths that are their ultimate inspiration.  In the old tales, Thor slays the Midgard Serpent, then walks nine steps before succumbing to its venom and dying.  But though in Thor #200 Buscema shows us a Thor seemingly at the point of death as he delivers the final, fatal blow, the Thunder God’s actual demise is not shown — rather, it must be inferred from the final panel, where we’re shown all of Asgard “rent asunder” in an explosion.

Both of these accounts stand in contrast to that presented in Thor #128, in which Kirby refrains from depicting Thor’s smiting of the Serpent, and Lee’s text actually tells us that the final cataclysm occurs even as “the universe-shaking battle continues to rage” — implying that both Thor and his foe are likely both still living up until the point of the “monumental explosion”:

Following this climactic moment of destruction, the Lee-Buscema account follows the Lee-Kirby one pretty closely, all the way through to the end of Volla’s prophecies:

Again, it should be noted that the Marvel version of Ragnarok deviates sharply from the Norse myths, in that in the myths, it’s all of creation which is destroyed (and ultimately reborn anew) — not just Asgard.  (Interestingly, Jack Kirby seems to have adopted this same, more limited conception of “a time when the old gods died” when creating his “Fourth World” mythos for DC Comics.)

The aftermath of Volla’s presentation goes down quite differently in Thor #200 than in Thor #129-129 — at least as far as Loki is concerned.  First, here’s the Lee-Kirby version:

This narrative continues with Thor #129’s “Tales of Asgard” installment, whose splash page shows Loki — who’s being held responsible for Ragnarok by dint of his “uniting the forces of evil” for the final battle — dragged off at Odin’s command to “the Well of Eternal Sleep!

From there, Lee and Kirby segue into a whole new adventure, in the classic Marvel manner.

And now, the Lee-Buscema version of Loki’s fate:

Did Stan Lee rethink the idea that Loki should be blamed for Ragnarok?  If so, I can see why; after all, in both of the versions of Ragnarok that he scripted, it’s not Loki that brings on the evil winter, makes brother fight brother, or raises the Midgard Serpent, so it’s hard to make the case that the whole thing is his fault.  Or, alternatively, did the writer simply decide that Thor #200’s subtler takedown of Loki made for a stronger ending — or at least a less somber one — than Thor #129’s scene of Odin “weeping without tears”?   Whatever Lee’s reasoning might have been, I personally prefer the way he wrapped things up in Thor #200.  (Though I’ll admit that the notion of Odin purposefully ordaining all that death and destruction gives me some pause… on the other hand, that sort of high-handed, drastic action is pretty consistent with how Lee had characterized the All-Father all the years he wrote him.)

With Stan Lee now having had his literal last word where the God of Thunder is concerned, Gerry Conway’s framing sequence returns for the book’s final page…

And that’s that for Thor #200.  As we noted at the outset, this issue is an outlier among milestone-commemorating comics (incidentally, your humble blogger refuses to use the phrase “anniversary issues” for these kinds of books, except in cases where we’re actually counting years), and that’s especially true as far as Marvel’s “first generation” of such comics is concerned.  Without a doubt, Thor #200 celebrates an arbitrarily-selected occasion with a story that’s awkwardly inserted into the title’s continuing serial narrative, and is a remake of previously-published material to boot (though, as I hope this post has demonstrated, it’s also more original in its adaptation of that material than might first appear).  On the other hand, at least it doesn’t center on Thor fighting a gallery of his all-time greatest foes (only not really, because it’s a fever dream, or the bad guys are all robots), so points for doing something different.  Besides which, it looks great, with Big John Buscema successfully putting his own distinct stamp on scenes previously (and dauntingly) visualized by the King of Comics.  In the end, I’d call Thor #200 a pretty good comic book — and not at all a bad way for Stan Lee to wrap up his tenure as the series’ writer.


And now, with the hope that this blog post hasn’t already worn out its welcome, we’re going to go ahead and dip into the pages of Thor #201 to give you that “ending!” promised by #200’s closing “next issue” blurb.  We’re doing this primarily because we figure that at least some of you out there were expecting to have seen more progress made on Conway and Buscema’s ongoing storyline than actually occurred in #200 — and since we also figure that the blog’s schedule isn’t going to allow us to return to Thor for several months, we’d hate to leave you in suspense until summer.  So, here goes…

Behind a cover by Gil Kane and Vince Colletta that, as nice-looking as it indisputably is, doesn’t seem to have gotten the memo about Pluto’s axe having been shattered to bits at the end of #200, Jim Mooney takes on a large share of the art chores, providing full pencils as well as inks over John Buscema’s layouts.

Mooney arrives just in time to assist Conway and Buscema in revealing whether or not Pluto losing his axe is enough to turn the tide of battle, or not…

Taking a glance around the battlefield, Pluto notes that the Warriors Three are in the process of routing his troll forces; this inspires him to a gambit by which he hopes to kill two birds with one stone:

Having trapped Thor’s buds in “a timeless bubble of sheer energy”, Pluto demands that the Thunder God surrender.  And as the Son of Odin grimly weighs his options, our scene shifts to Odin’s funeral bier, where Asgard’s royal Vizier, joined by Karnilla, the Norn Queen, keeps vigil… until they’re both startled by a voice out of nowhere which declares, “…somewhere, Odin lives!

When we last saw Hela, in Thor #199, she was magicking herself away from Asgard to prevent being dragged down to parts unknown (but presumably nasty) by the clutching talons of Pluto’s Demon Hounds of Hades.  But now the Hounds are gone, and she’s back…

Immediately following Hela’s departure, Karnilla and the Vizier’s eyes widen in wonder at a sight we’re not privy too, but can readily guess at.  Meanwhile, back at the battle, Thor has made a wrenching choice…

After watching his friends vanish, leaving behind only the stench “of burning sulphur“, a newly vengeful Thor throws himself at Pluto.  But the God of the Netherworld warns Thor not to start yapping to him about “loyalty and love“.  Pluto, y’see, is perpetually pissed off at the fate which saddled him with the throne of Hades for all eternity, while his brother Zeus gets to live it up on lovely Mount Olympus — and therefore, he isn’t prepared to cede the moral high ground to the Odinson…

And that’s where we’ll leave things for now, faithful readers.  The Twilight Well saga has come to an end, with Odin restored to life and throne, and dark Pluto banished.  All is well in Asgard once more, and… what was that?  You say you don’t care how chill Thor is about the whereabouts and well-being of his beloved Lady Sif, you’ve been keeping up with the Blackworld subplot that (like the Twilight Well storyline) kicked off in Thor #195, and you want to know how Sif — and Hildegarde, and Tana Nile, and, whassisname, Silas Grant — are all making out against Ego-Prime.  Well, all that business does move forward in the pages of Thor #201, even as the last storyline is wrapping up; but, alas, I’m afraid I really am going to have to ask you to wait until summer for more details.  Have no fear, however — rather, just keep reading this blog, and rest assured that you won’t see the end of June before all is revealed unto you… including the debut of Marvel Comics’ very own New Young Gods!  Catch you then, OK?

 

*The presentation of the tale of Ragnarök as a prophecy uttered by Volla at the request of Odin seems to have originated with one of the primary sources for our modern knowledge of the myth, the Old Norse poem Völuspá (part of the Poetic Edda).  In this work, Odin learns of Ragnarok from the recitations of a völva, or seeress — just like he and his fellow Asgardians do in the Lee-Kirby and Lee-Buscema versions of the story.

“Odin and the Völva” by Lorenz Frølich; originally published in Karl Gjellerup’s Den ældre Eddas Gudesange (1895).

 

Of course, I have no idea whether any of these creators worked with an English translation of the original poem handy — it seems more likely to me that they would have worked from a secondary source, such as one of the many compilations of Norse myths available to English-language readers of all ages, then as now — but either way, it’s an authentic approach to the source material.

11 comments

  1. Chris A. · March 5

    Such solid drawing from John B. Such fine understanding of the human figure and other disciplines in making comics. No wonder How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way has had so many reprints.

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  2. JoshuaRascal · March 7

    “This narrative continues with Thor #129’s “Tales of Asgard” installment, whose splash page shows Loki — who’s being held responsible for Ragnarok by dint of his “uniting the forces of evil” for the final battle — dragged off at Odin’s command to “the Well of Eternal Sleep!””

    I am of the opinion that Loki was thrown down the Well in Thor #129 to write him out of Tales of Asgard. Loki did not make another appearance for the rest of the series. it would appear that Lee and Kirby were both tired of the character and decided to retire Loki after having been the main villain and antagonist for years in the Thor comic book. Loki had already been retired in the main Thor series when he was jettisoned into outer space with the Absorbing Man in Journey into Mystery #123. Excepting a brief reappearance in Thor Annual #2, Loki wouldn’t return to the Mighty Thor until #147. The Thor series took a real turn after Loki was removed with some of the best stories of the series, starting with the introduction of the Olympian Gods in #124 through to the Enchanters. Same with Tales of Asgard, which turned into the adventures of Thor and the Warriors Three for the remainder of the series after Loki was thrown down the well.

    Looking back, I realize now that Tales of Asgard was merged into the Thor series with the addition of characters first introduced in Tales of Asgard. Hela first appeared in the main Thor series in #150. Karnilla, the Norn Queen, was introduced into The Mighty Thor in the same issue. The Warriors Three made their first appearance in Thor #155. Thor in many respects became an expanded version of Tales of Asgard.

    It’s too bad John Buscema couldn’t do his own version of Ragnarok, much as he did his own version of Asgard in Silver Surfer #4, instead of this almost frame for frame redo of Kirby’s earlier version. But that was what Stan Lee wanted him to do, I suppose.

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  3. DontheArtistformerlyknownasfrodo628 · March 7

    I remember someone once telling me they didn’t like the Thor book because everytime it changed writers or artists, Ragnarok would wind up happening again, b/c every Thor writer wanted to write it and every Thor artist wanted to draw it. Apparently, this was true. Apparently what was also true was that Stan would return to Ragnarok whenever he got bored or ran out of ideas, because here it is for the second time with a different artist and the story barely changes at all. Might not have bothered me back in the old 25 cent days of comics buying, but if I was paying modern prices of $4.99 an issue, I might be a little upset at the idea of an “old horse in a new wrapper.”

    Still and all, it was a pretty good issue, and it included Surtur, so at least Lee makes a pass at being faithful to the mythology. Plus, Conway has less to write and thereby less to screw up. Buscema’s artwork is great here, though he always makes Loki look like he’s 80 years old. All in all, it’s a fine way to waste twenty minutes or so, but that’s all it feels like it is, something to keep us occupied until the rest of the actual story is ready. Ah well…such is life, such is comics.

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  4. frednotfaith2 · March 7

    Was away in Orlando for a conference this weekend and to visit with my dad a bit in Clearwater before returning to Jacksonville today and having to go back to work tomorrow. Meanwhile, catching up emails and blogs and making some musings on Alan’s latest Marvelous entry!
    Rather curious how this issue came about and, unless John Buscema related the details in an interview that we just don’t know about yet, seems it’ll remain a mystery. Doesn’t seem likely it was meant for a King-Size Annual as Marvel didn’t release any with new material from 1969 through 1975, and Kirby’s run continued until about mid-1970. More likely, Lee came up with the idea of redoing the Ragnorak story for the 200th issue several months beforehand, maybe even before Buscema took over from Adams on the art, and just instructed Conway to fit it in however he could, but without much advanced notice.
    Also interesting (to me at least!), Marvel’s evolution in celebrating issues that ended in “00” or “50” from 1962 through 1972. Strange Tales was the first title in the Marvel Age to reach #100, but didn’t get any special treatment at all — just another batch of weird tales like the previous issue, although in the very next issue Strange Tales would become the first of Marvel’s anthology titles to feature a super-hero as Johnny Storm started his solo series. Journey into Mystery reached 100 in late 1963, already featuring Thor for the previous 18 months, but with no fanfare or particularly special story but once again it was followed by an issue of more significance as Kirby returned to art on the main story, sticking around for the next six and a half years for a run nearly as celebrated as his run of 102 issues on the FF.
    Then there were the 50th issues of the FF & Spider-Man – on neither was special mention made of them being 50th issues, but both came off as milestones, with conclusion of the Galactus Trilogy, focusing on the Silver Surfer turning against his master, while in ASM, Lee & Romita did a new take on Peter Parker quitting being Spider-Man, as Lee & Ditko had previously done in ASM #18, but also introducing the most significant new villain of the Romita era, Kingpin, and featuring a cover that became one of Romita’s most iconic ever. The Mighty Thor #150 likewise didn’t make much of the number, but while not quite as much as a landmark issues as FF & ASM #s 50, was still a significant chapter in a long stream of Lee & Kirby’s interlocking stories, this one concluding the segment in which Thor had been stripped of his godly powers and has been beaten nearly to death by the godly-powered Wrecker. While over in Avengers #50, Hercules and Typhon’s battle dominated the cover and issue, which concluded with the assemblers at their least mighty, lowest ebb: only three active members — Hawkeye, the Wasp and Goliath bereft of his growing powers. Daredevil #50 seemed a run-of-the-mill issue of DD, aside from being the first issue of Barry Smith’s brief run on Daredevil. Doesn’t seem either Tales to Astonish or Tales of Suspense made much of their 50th issues either, although ToS 50 introduced the Mandarin, Iron Man’s most prominent baddie of the Silver & Bronze ages, while TtA 50 introduced Giant-Man’s most prominent baddie, the Human Top — which wasn’t saying much as even after re-naming himself Whirlwind, he was never much more than a grade C villain in the Marvel universe. More significant was Tales to Astonish 100, having long dumped poor Henry Pym for Hulk & Namor whose separate series were merged for one big battle issue between them, followed by the final issue of ToA before it was renamed for the Hulk. Meanwhile, Tales of Suspense ends with issue 99, renamed so that 14 years after Captain America’s Golden Age series was cancelled for the 2nd time, having onlhy gotten up to issue 78, he finally gets a 100th issue, and it’s mostly a retelling of his origin with some significant new details.
    Lee was still writing FF & ASM when those became the first Marvel titles that began as superhero titles starring the characters the mags were named for to reach 100, and both were a bit of a cheat — a sort of review of their biggest baddies, but in FF they were mostly robots and in ASM it was all a drug-induced fantasy, albeit with the surprise-shock ending of Peter waking up with 4 extra arms! And now we get Captain America & the Falcon #150, of which no celebratory notice is made on the cover and the contents, as best as I can tell having never read it, not particularly compelling or significant. Sub-Mariner, whose Golden Age series was, like Cap’s, cancelled twice and only got up to number 42, now makes it to 50 with his Silver Age spawned run and is marked by the return of his creator, Bill Everett, to his chronicles for a run that would be cut short by Everett’s death a few month’s later. In Avengers 100, Thomas opts to celebrate by having everyone who was ever an Avenger as of March 1972, aside from the still dead Wonder Man, show up for the battle against Ares and his Olympian hordes. And, finally, back to Thor 100, with Lee making a final appearance as guest scribe and redoing a story plotted by Thor’s co-creator Kirby as now drawn by Thor’s most celebrated early Bronze Age artist, John Buscema.
    Aside from the few issues that made no notice of reaching a 50th or 00th issue at all, a few patterns emerge, of either a looking back for either the origin story, the most notorious baddies or, for the Avengers, their complete roster of past and current living Avengers; or a concluding or otherwise significant chapter of a multi-issue storyline, which seems to have been the dominant marking of most later 50th or 00th issues at Marvel.
    As for my collection, 50 years ago I was still a few months away from really starting my collection and several more months away from figuring out that Thor hadn’t really been around for over 200 issues and that despite making his debut in late 1940, Captain America had not been in continuous publication for over 150 issues as of 1972, and neither had the Hulk. And Dr. Strange had been around a lot longer than the low issue numbers of his then current home in Marvel Premiere indicated; of course, 50 years ago, Doc was still waiting for Warlock to vacate the premises.

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  5. Stu Fischer · March 10

    I don’t remember exactly how I felt when reading this issue back in 1972 but my guess is that I felt the way I did re-reading it now–annoyance. I’m writing this comment before writing my comments on your prior Thor post Alan because I’m behind again in comments as usual and am posting backwards again, however I really enjoyed Gerry Conway’s storylines in Thor (yes, I am still amazed that it was Conway as I dislike practically everything else he did) and I was annoyed at the interruption. For one thing, while it’s hard to top the death of Odin, I’m sure that I was expecting that issue #200 would have some slam bang conclusion to the Pluto and/or Sif storylines (although I do know that in 1972 I was “hip” to the fact that this was not really Thor’s 200th issue).

    While I generally genuflect at the altar of Stan Lee, his last works on Thor rankle me. As I wrote last year, I felt that Stan’s Infinity arc was the worst disappointment of any of his stories and certainly gave credence to those who said that Kirby was the main force behind the plotting of the book. This time, although I have no proof of this, it seems that Stan decided to self-indulgently revisit his and Kirby’s Ragnarok story just to put something seemingly “special” in the 200th issue with his authorship. Of course, what it is is repackaged leftovers and while Big John does a great job on the art as always, trying to follow something Kirby did is not something interesting unless it was by an artist with a totally different style (like Barry Smith). Also, it meant that I had to wait another month for the storyline to continue from issue #199 (as I always note, I won’t read the part of your blog entry concerning the next issue until the 50th anniversary of the issue coming out).

    Finally, the whole idea of the story is kind of weird to me to begin with: Odin calls everyone together to hear the predictions of Ragnarok and then expects everyone to not do anything about it except wait for it to happen?

    Part of me wonders now (which I know I didn’t in 1972) if Stan was trying in some way to respond to Kirby’s New Gods version of Ragnarok by restamping his own version this time without Kirby (and with subtle changes).

    I want to add that my nine-year old self really was satisfied with the parade of villains (albeit robots) in Fantastic Four #100, although I might have felt differently had I read the Reed and Sue wedding story before then (where the parade of villains was real). Similarly, my ten-year old self was satisfied with Spider-Man 100’s recount of past villains with the surprise ending of the extra arms. In those days, I assumed that an anniversary issue was basically supposed to be a celebratory sum up of the past. What did I think of Avengers #100? Well, you’ll have to wait until your blog post about that in a couple of days.

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    • jmhanzo · April 1

      “While I generally genuflect at the altar of Stan Lee, his last works on Thor rankle me. As I wrote last year, I felt that Stan’s Infinity arc was the worst disappointment of any of his stories and certainly gave credence to those who said that Kirby was the main force behind the plotting of the book.”

      Honestly, it seems obvious that he was. When Kirby was on the book, we got Ego the Living Planet, the Absorbing Man, the High Evolutionary, the Black Galaxy, Mangog, the Wrecking Crew, etc.

      Once Jack left and Stan had to work with other artists — where are the great new ideas?

      They seemed to be appearing instead in Kirby’s Fourth World titles.

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  6. Stu Fischer · April 14

    Okay, I just read Thor #201 full through. I give Gerry Conway and John Buscema full credit for how they finished the Twilight Well part of the story. On the other hand, I find it extremely unconvincing that Balder suddenly decides that he really wants to go to Earth (which he doesn’t even call Midgard, but Earth even though Odin just called it “the middle land”) and that Karnilla just suddenly relieves Balder of his vow to serve her without anger/protest after she made a big deal of it to get Balder to make the vow and then to keep it when Hela was going after Thor. A cheat for convenience for which I give them an F.

    I’m VERY disappointed at how the Sif part of the story was going and I’ll wait to see if it got better (but I doubt it). I believe that Thor #203 came out in early to mid-June, so I likely would have read it in 1972 shortly before my world ended (in the Agnes flood of June 23).

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    • Alan Stewart · April 14

      Hmm… personally, I thought that Karnilla’s casual release of Balder had been set up pretty well by the scene in issue #199 where she saves his life after he’s been mortally wounded, only to see him charge right back into battle against her express command. (See https://50yearoldcomics.files.wordpress.com/2022/01/thor199-alive.jpg and https://50yearoldcomics.files.wordpress.com/2022/01/thor199-go.jpg for reference.) But maybe that’s just me. 🙂

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      • Stu Fischer · April 14

        Oops. I had forgotten about that. I’m just completely helpless without Stan’s footnotes. Thanks for setting me straight Alan. However, I still find it off that Balder suddenly wants to go to “Earth” as if he has such a great fond history there.

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        • Alan Stewart · April 14

          Good point, Stu. Maybe Balder’s sudden longing for “Earth’s green hills” is just an excuse for getting away from Karnilla’s stink-eye!

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  7. sportinggeek157875814 · April 16

    Blimey: Marvel went to both the Ragnarok & Odin death/sleep wells many times, didn’t they? Wasn’t aware of ish #200 dealing with Ragnarok ’til now: we’ve got #128, Mangog & Simonson at least doing it up til the 1980s.

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